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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Has it been changed? Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:06 pm | |
| I have over ten years of Ministry teaching. I have been a teacher of the Bible for 48 years, and I am still learning. Some people continue to make claim, “The Bible has been changed by man, and much of it is contradictory.” Since I still consider myself a student of the Bible, please point out to me what scriptures in the Bible has been changed, and what scriptures are contradictory?
I do concede many religions have changed some wording from the KJ to match their own teaching, and their own Bible. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:33 am | |
| Any translation changes the Bible. The KJ is not original; it's a translation. |
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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:55 am | |
| You're right, DK. Domenic, there are many good books written by scholars of religion. They based their words on facts. One book in particular that I can recommend is: Misquoting Jesus. http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396464859&sr=1-1&keywords=misquoting+Jesus
Many of your questions about errors in the Bible are answered in this book. |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:49 am | |
| Both of you may find this of interest...it is on you tube;
THE AMAZING FIRST VERSE OF THE BIBLE |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:11 am | |
| The changes in the Bible are not important, as they do not affect our salvation. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved," still stands.
Much studying of the Bible can lead one astray.
We must remember it was the holy, self-righteous church leaders who killed Jesus. |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:41 am | |
| - alice wrote:
- The changes in the Bible are not important, as they do not affect our salvation. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved," still stands.
Much studying of the Bible can lead one astray.
We must remember it was the holy, self-righteous church leaders who killed Jesus. You are correct Alice...Believe in Jesus is all that is required for life. The church did not kill Jesus, nor the Jews, or Romans. Here is what Jesus said: John 10:17-18 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father." (NKJV)Jesus said he came here to die. In John he said no one could take his life. He worked things around were they would kill him. He could have stopped them, and the whole world from doing him harm. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:58 pm | |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:26 am | |
| They, however, did not have to kill him, or anyone else. They were mean folks and so religious too. That is why I say "don't overwork your mind on religion" |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:31 am | |
| - alice wrote:
- They, however, did not have to kill him, or anyone else. They were mean folks and so religious too. That is why I say "don't overwork your mind on religion"
Do you know why he had to die, and why he had to be dead for three days? I spend zero time on religion. I believe all religions are man made, and false. I study, and follow the scriptures. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:53 am | |
| Martyrs for a cause believe they are called to their choice. Martyrs existed long before and long after Christ. |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:16 am | |
| What does a martyr have to do with this thread? You lost me on that one. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:03 pm | |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:54 pm | |
| - alice wrote:
- Read Matthew 12: 40.
Mathew 12: has nothing to do with being a martyr? |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:01 pm | |
| - Domenic Pappalardo wrote:
- alice wrote:
- They, however, did not have to kill him, or anyone else. They were mean folks and so religious too. That is why I say "don't overwork your mind on religion"
Do you know why he had to die, and why he had to be dead for three days?
I spend zero time on religion. I believe all religions are man made, and false. I study, and follow the scriptures. |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:15 pm | |
| - alice wrote:
- Domenic Pappalardo wrote:
- alice wrote:
- They, however, did not have to kill him, or anyone else. They were mean folks and so religious too. That is why I say "don't overwork your mind on religion"
Do you know why he had to die, and why he had to be dead for three days?
I spend zero time on religion. I believe all religions are man made, and false. I study, and follow the scriptures. Again, what does this have to do with Mathew 12:40 ???? |
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Don Stephens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1355 Registration date : 2008-01-25 Age : 85 Location : Wherever my hat's hanging today!
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:03 pm | |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:15 pm | |
| The question in the OP was;
Bible has been changed, and what scriptures are contradictory?
Some parts of the Bible have been changed from the scrolls. Some on the forum have stated some scriptures are contradictory...I was asking which ones? It's normal for threads to go off on different paths. Religion and Spirituality; I do not believe religions teach Bible truths, and spirituality seems to be different for all. |
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Don Stephens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1355 Registration date : 2008-01-25 Age : 85 Location : Wherever my hat's hanging today!
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:33 pm | |
| My Bad...silly me, I thought discussions of the Bible Were about religion! |
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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:45 pm | |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:52 pm | |
| - Don Stephens wrote:
- My Bad...silly me, I thought discussions of the Bible Were about religion!
If a religion does not follow the Bible, would that not make them a false religion? I don't know of one religion that teaches what it says. Thus the Bible is not about religion as I see it. Here is an example of what I am saying.The condition of the dead; Ecclesiastes 9:5 "The dead are asleep in the grave." there are some 11 scriptures that support the dead are asleep in the grave, and their thoughts do parish. Most religions teach that those who die, go to Heaven, Hell, or in between. These are religions who claim to believe, and teach from the Bible. They teach Jesus died for our sins. He did not. He died to remove just one sin...that witch we get from the act Adam, and Eve did. If Jesus died for our sins, we would not have to ask God to forgive us every time we sinned. I could point out 1001 major things they teach that are false. |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:53 pm | |
| - Abe F. March wrote:
Abe, if you have something stuck in you craw, why don't you spit it out, and say it? |
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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:51 am | |
| I'm looking for my craw and if/when I find it I'll check to see if there's something stuck in it. In the meanwhile, I'll just spit. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:48 am | |
| - Domenic Pappalardo wrote:
- Don Stephens wrote:
- My Bad...silly me, I thought discussions of the Bible Were about religion!
If a religion does not follow the Bible, would that not make them a false religion? I don't know of one religion that teaches what it says. Thus the Bible is not about religion as I see it.
Here is an example of what I am saying.The condition of the dead;
Ecclesiastes 9:5 "The dead are asleep in the grave." there are some 11 scriptures that support the dead are asleep in the grave, and their thoughts do parish.
Most religions teach that those who die, go to Heaven, Hell, or in between. These are religions who claim to believe, and teach from the Bible.
They teach Jesus died for our sins. He did not. He died to remove just one sin...that witch we get from the act Adam, and Eve did. If Jesus died for our sins, we would not have to ask God to forgive us every time we sinned. I could point out 1001 major things they teach that are false. Don't they get any credit for trying? My religion happens to agree with your interpretation of the state of the dead |
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Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:18 am | |
| - alice wrote:
- Domenic Pappalardo wrote:
- Don Stephens wrote:
- My Bad...silly me, I thought discussions of the Bible Were about religion!
If a religion does not follow the Bible, would that not make them a false religion? I don't know of one religion that teaches what it says. Thus the Bible is not about religion as I see it.
Here is an example of what I am saying.The condition of the dead;
Ecclesiastes 9:5 "The dead are asleep in the grave." there are some 11 scriptures that support the dead are asleep in the grave, and their thoughts do parish.
Most religions teach that those who die, go to Heaven, Hell, or in between. These are religions who claim to believe, and teach from the Bible.
They teach Jesus died for our sins. He did not. He died to remove just one sin...that witch we get from the act Adam, and Eve did. If Jesus died for our sins, we would not have to ask God to forgive us every time we sinned. I could point out 1001 major things they teach that are false. Don't they get any credit for trying?
My religion happens to agree with your interpretation of the state of the dead It's not the people in religions...it's the teachers of those religions. Do your religious leaders teach the people will go to heaven?(which the Bible proves is not true,) If the people follow a false teacher, will they not wind up in the same place as the false teacher? Most religions (Christian) teach that Jesus, and God are the same person. This is not what the Bible teaches. Do you know of religions that teach Jesus, and God are the same person? |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Has it been changed? Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:36 am | |
| Most religions I am familiar with teach the doctrine of the Trinity. |
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