Zimmerman -Not Guilty – Trayvon Dead - How It Feels

I first went to school in segregated Jim Crow schools and then went to a school closer to my own home after integration. I remember when MLK was shot and one of my third grade classmates said that his father told him, They killed that n-word,". I saw almost all of the black school teachers, principals etc lose their jobs when integration came along. I have experience discrimination personally with finding out multiple times about workplace issues based upon unequal pay based upon race. I've heard the N-word multiple time in professional workplaces. This year, I heard a manager of a company asked if knowing Spanish was going to be an issue in a certain city I was working in and the manager, who was white, said no, but I think you need to know ebonics, I was stunned to hear that in 2013, but here we are.

I don 't see that DT was aiming at anyone.  HE wrote of how he felt and was challenged for expressing his thoughts.

He felt as he felt and saw as he saw.
We all can only express what we think.

I happen to think we still  have a race problem in America.

 No one need agree with me.  I am out of here.

7/19/2013

                    Alice..

                            Yes I agree there's still a race problem in the USA , in 1986 I was in Memphis,
                  Tenn., to see my brother and sister-in-law ( She's Spanish) she told me something
                  that shocked me , many of her neighbors where they had a house thought she was
                  Italian, she said no I'm Spanish , they stopped talking to her, how ignorant ! I was
                  in a store there one day with my sister-in-law and a black man was looking at
                  something and I heard one white tell another one oh look at that "N" , I was
                  stunned ! I turned around and said : " I see we still talk that way, the civil war is
                  over, your white trash."  Then we left, I couldn't believe in 1986 in the south they
                  still think that way ! I have a big northern mouth !

                                                                 Cheers..Joe...

My cousin is of a religious persuasion that includes saving a person.  There is no way that she will ever see me going to heaven unless I go forward in her church to be saved.  Nothing will ever change her mind.  Without missionaries, the world is doomed.

 That's how many people are regarding race and religion and sexual orientation - nothing will ever change their mind.  They are stuck and will die feeling the same regardless of new information.

7/19/2013

                   Religion is the down fall of humanity...It's used to control people with
                   fear and tell people go forth and have children they can't afford all so
                   the church can have more members, we know which church that is ?
                   I have been thinking more and more of studying Buddist...

                                                               Cheers..Joe..

If people would just practice their religion instead of simply spouting
it , there would be far fewer problems.

We had a group of religious teachers at our church on a panel - Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslin, Catholic, etc.  Of them all, the Buddhist speaker seemed the most loving, inclusive, introspective and accepting of others.  However, it was a short panel - I'm sure there's more to each than their brief presentation.

I always sort of admired the Quakers for living their beliefs and not pushing them on anyone else. I think the Amish are like that too.

DT, you said this.

"I remember being 17-years old and don't know how I would have reacted if a man was following me as I walked home in my neighborhood at night, it would have been terrifying."

To which I certainly agree. A couple of questions. If you were in that situation and had ran away from the man following you, up to 70 yards or more, and were in the clear, would you have gone back and attacked that man? If you were terrified and had escaped, why would you go back?

And two, are you aware that sugary fruit drinks and candy (both of which Martin had) can be used in conjunction with cough syrup to make a mixture called "lean" or "drank" or some such name which leads to a drug induced high, and that Martin had texted at least one person in an effort to obtain the cough syrup? That doesn't lead me to think that the items Martin went to the store to buy were so simple and child like.

Three, if you think Zimmerman was profiling Martin, don't you think the evidence presented about the names Martin called Zimmerman says that Martin was doing some profiling of his own? Or do you think profiling and racism can only work one way?

My position is this. There was no evidence presented or on the 911 call that indicated Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the operator said "I don't need you to do that." There is evidence that at one time Martin was at least 70 yards away from Zimmerman and then went back to confront him. Stand your ground was never offered as a defense, only self defense, and by reason of this Zimmerman was found not guilty.

So, my last questions are these. Do you think we should just forget about the process of law and convict everyone based on what the media tells us and on our emotions? And do you think the neighborhood watch programs all around the country should be disbanded, in spite of the known good they do?

I understand that you looked at this case from Martin's standpoint, but don't you think you'd have been a bit more subjective had you looked at both sides with an equal eye?

Hi, E. Don,

If Trayvon was on top of Z pounding his head, why was there no blood on Z's chest or gun after he shot Trayvon?
Why didn't Trayvon collapse on top of Zimmerman?
Please explain this to me.
The simple law of gravity should have worked that night.
Thanks.

Alice I think you've watched too many movies. I'm sure if you try to picture in your mind how this really would have happened, you can answer your own questions.

Why not address this:

"And two, are you aware that sugary fruit drinks and candy (both of which Martin had) can be used in conjunction with cough syrup to make a mixture called "lean" or "drank" or some such name which leads to a drug induced high, and that Martin had texted at least one person in an effort to obtain the cough syrup? That doesn't lead me to think that the items Martin went to the store to buy were so simple and child like."

Yes purple drank AKA lean Purple is in some of lil waynes gangster rap music, and he is in interviews talking about how messed up it makes someone. They can use skittles and jolly ranchers crushed up into the drank. I hope the media reports this that he could of possibly been under the influence of this concoction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank

Purple drank is a slang term for a recreational drug popular in the hip hop community in the southern United States, originating in Houston, Texas. Its main ingredient is prescription-strength cough syrup containing codeine and promethazine.[1] Cough syrup is typically mixed with ingredients such as Sprite soft drink, Ice Tea or Mountain Dew and pieces of Jolly Rancher candy. The purplish hue of purple drank comes from dyes in the cough syrup.
There are numerous slang terms for purple drank, including sizzurp, lean,syrup, drank, barre, purple jelly, Texas tea,and Tsikuni

E. Don,
Your answer was no answer.  I really would like the question answered.

Alice, Zimmerman fired into Martin's chest through two layers of clothing. And then he rolled out from under him. Why would he continue to lie there after Martin had been shot? Some things are just common sense.

Now how about you answer the question about Martin having two of the ingredients to make an illegal drug drink, and texting someone to try and obtain the third. Not the innocent child you've been led to believe.

7/26/2013

                     Everyone sit back , make some great Southern Fried Chicken..
                     The case is over , so enjoy the chicken...
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/southern-fried-chicken-recipe/index.html




                                         Enjoy ..Joe...

And let me ask one more question while I'm at it. If all of you will take the time to google "pictures of convenience store robberies" you'll soon see that a large percentage of the armed robberies are by black males wearing hoodies. If I were the clerk in a convenience store and it was late at night, you can bet your ass I'd be extra wary of any black male that came in with a hoodie on. Maybe that can be called profiling, but it is also true, and when you use your common sense to be aware of a potentially dangerous situation, you always have at least a bit of warning before anything happens. It only makes sense to target the group that is responsible for the majority of late night convenience store robberies. I think some people are so sensitive to the politically correct feelings they hear so much about, and so eager to blame everything on race, that they forget to trust their own instincts. You couldn't pay me to dress up like Bugs Bunny and go strolling through the woods in the middle of hunting season, but that is exactly what guys like Martin do, and then they wonder why someone notices them. Well, damn, should Zimmerman have been on the lookout for 80 year old white women wearing blue dresses? Maybe he should have been doing exactly what he was doing, considering the several burglaries that had occurred in his neighborhood in the past few months, and all of them by black males. He saw a man acting suspiciously and stopped to see what was going on, as he should have.

No.  He was supposed to call it in.  Period.  If he had done that, the boy would be alive.  You can dress it up any way you want and bring in anything else you want but the truth remains.  If Zimmerman and his gun had remained in his vehicle Trayvon would be alive.  Period.  End of story.

7/26/2013

                         Chicken anyone ?

                        Cheers....Joe...

DK,
I agree.

E. Don Harpe wrote:

Alice, Zimmerman fired into Martin's chest through two layers of clothing. And then he rolled out from under him. Why would he continue to lie there after Martin had been shot? Some things are just common sense.

Now how about you answer the question about Martin having two of the ingredients to make an illegal drug drink, and texting someone to try and obtain the third. Not the innocent child you've been led to believe.

 Why was  there no blood on Z.  He couldn't roll that fast.

You can lead the dumb to information, but you can't make them understand. Not that you guys are dumb, but you're sure having a lot of trouble understanding this. And who is the "boy" you keep referring to DK?

7/26/2013

                          " HELLO ! DON'T YOU ALL GET IT ! THE DAM CASE IS OVER !
                            GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES , NOTHING YOU CAN DO OR SAY
                            WILL CHANGE HISTORY , SO GET OVER IT !!

                                                        Cheers...Joe...

I personally don't care if Travon was making drugs or taking them.  What don't you understand?
So what if he did?  HE was a teenager for the love of Pete.  That is what teenagers  do.  They aren't killed for it. Z should have remained in the safety of his vehicle .

There was no rush, the cops were on the way.
Why did he have to get out with a gun?
Real friendly.

Joe,

This is DT's thread.
I think he has a right to express how he feels.

7/26/2013

                           ALice....You have it all wrong , all I said was for everyone to cool it, this
                           is turning into a nasty issue which no one has an answer because they
                           weren't there and only Martin, Zimmerman and God knows what happened.

                                                                Cheers..Joe...

I wish that instead  of airing our ignorant views here, we would  read the opinion of DT.
We would understand each other better, if we looked at other perspectives.