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+6alj Abe F. March E. Don Harpe dkchristi alice joefrank 10 posters |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:56 pm | |
| 10/2/2013 This grandfather deserves the award of the year, taking in his gay grandson after his own Mother threw him in the streets read his letter to his daughter... Cheers...Joe... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/grandpa-letter-gay-grandson_n_4029750.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl18%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D385252 |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:46 pm | |
| He did his duty. Shame on his daughter. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:41 pm | |
| Loving children unconditionally is a challenge for many parents. |
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E. Don Harpe Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1979 Registration date : 2008-01-17 Age : 82 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:05 pm | |
| So, if love is unconditional, why didn't the father reconfirm his love for his daughter, and then take in the grandchild? I don't understand why it's ok for the father to not love his daughter for the reason stated, but it's not ok for the daughter to not love her child because he's gay. And at the end of his note he says if she "finds her heart" or something like that. Sounds as if he is putting conditions on his love for his own daughter, while trying to make everyone think that's ok because she didn't like the gay lifestyle of her son. Doesn't make sense to me, and I don't have nearly as much feeling for the grandfather as some of you seem to have. |
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E. Don Harpe Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1979 Registration date : 2008-01-17 Age : 82 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:08 pm | |
| Would all of you have felt the same if the son had robbed a store and the mother tossed him out, and then the grandfather took him in? What is suddenly so special about gays that it has become an obsession with so many American people? I don't see as how gay people should be mistreated, but I don't see as how they should get any special treatment just because they're gay. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:56 pm | |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:11 pm | |
| Robbing a store is a crime. She would not need to toss him out, he would be in jail. Having a roof over one's head is hardly special treatment. |
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E. Don Harpe Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1979 Registration date : 2008-01-17 Age : 82 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:22 pm | |
| DK, it's kind of like the very ugly woman who was mad at a man for being drunk, and was telling him about how bad it was. He told her that tomorrow he'd be sober, but she'd still be ugly.
All I know is right now it's politically correct to bend over backward in order to support anyone and everyone who calls them self gay. Once again, I have friends that are gay, emphasis on the friends, but that doesn't stop me from wondering why the entire country has gone so overboard on the issue. And it isn't an education problem, at least I don't think it is. I know some very smart people who believe the gay life style is a choice. The other thing I can't see is calling people who don't care for that lifestyle bigots. If society now expects everyone to exhibit tolerance toward gays, then why do that not practice what they preach, and exhibit tolerance to the other side? Aren't people who don't care for that lifestyle entitled to their opinion, without any judgment from us? That's what is being asked of everyone, so shouldn't it apply to everyone?
In the last few years there has been an orchestrated movement to stigmatize people who don't believe in the gay lifestyle, and I think that is just as wrong as the reverse. Many people still don't believe others are born gay, and the fact is that so far that hasn't been proven to be true. No matter how much we want to believe it's so, there really is no scientific proof. So, shouldn't society as a whole back off of those who don't like that lifestyle, and let them believe what they want to believe? To receive tolerance, I think one must show tolerance.
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E. Don Harpe Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1979 Registration date : 2008-01-17 Age : 82 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:24 pm | |
| And Alice my dear, I'm sorry, but you just didn't answer the question. |
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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 am | |
| I tend to agree with Don. That doesn't mean I don't understand the views expressed by Dk. Her points are well taken. The scales of justice are not not always in balance. I am sick of the word "Gay" and I am becoming sick of the word, "Christian". Can you give me a definition of the word, "Christian"? |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:16 am | |
| A Christian is a follower of Christ. Many take the name in vain. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:17 am | |
| - E. Don Harpe wrote:
- Would all of you have felt the same if the son had robbed a store and the mother tossed him out, and then the grandfather took him in? What is suddenly so special about gays that it has become an obsession with so many American people? I don't see as how gay people should be mistreated, but I don't see as how they should get any special treatment just because they're gay.
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:18 am | |
| - alice wrote:
- Robbing a store is a crime. She would not need to toss him out, he would be in jail.
Having a roof over one's head is hardly special treatment. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:42 am | |
| - E. Don Harpe wrote:
- And Alice my dear, I'm sorry, but you just didn't answer the question.
I do not understand the question, Being gay is not robbing a bank. I agree gay people are people and people are imperfect. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:34 am | |
| Since being gay is no longer considered a crime, the comparison of homosexuality to robbing a store is a non sequitor - it is not a logical comparison |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:07 am | |
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E. Don Harpe Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1979 Registration date : 2008-01-17 Age : 82 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:30 am | |
| Why not tell that to the mother. I'd almost, but not quite, bet that she'd rather her child robbed a store than to be gay. And if you guys don't understand what I asked, or what I meant, do you want me to put it in really simple terms? I'd think as smart as most of you think you are you would have understood my post.
So, here you go. Small words and a real simple concept. For some people being gay is as bad or worse than being a thief, and I'd think you'd know that. I could be wrong, sometimes I forget where I'm posting. |
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Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:46 am | |
| Apparently, the letter was sent in by "Chad" and is addressed to "Christine". What do I think? I think Chad wrote the letter and sent it to a Gay website on Facebook (FCKH8). JMHO.
BTW, it's written on school graph paper. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:53 am | |
| Yes, I came across more than one site that questioned the validity of the letter, and reading it from the graphic on the page Joe posted, it doesn't seem to have been sent by a concerned grandfather.
The interesting thing is how the letter, whatever the source, has stirred the responses it has - on the net and here. Our opinions are clearly based on our perceptions, once again. |
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Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:56 am | |
| Maybe Chad is a thief and stole the letter from Christine. None of the comments I read seemed interested in how the letter came into Chad's possession. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:10 am | |
| - Shelagh wrote:
- Maybe Chad is a thief and stole the letter from Christine. None of the comments I read seemed interested in how the letter came into Chad's possession.
Hmm. It seems we are not the only forum that has this attribute: Shelagh wrote: - Quote :
- We read words on the screen and base our interpretation on the way we are feeling, not on how the poster was feeling at the time.
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Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:41 am | |
| - alj wrote:
- Shelagh wrote:
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- We read words on the screen and base our interpretation on the way we are feeling, not on how the poster was feeling at the time.
I read the letter and didn't bother to interpret the words because I could see no evidence to prove: who had written the letter; who had received the letter; how the letter came into the possession of "Chad". Who is Chad? What part does he play in these family relationships? "Though we don't have the full details surrounding the incident ..." Why did I read further? I must have too much time on my hands. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:46 am | |
| Just saying that the letter isn't as important to a lot of responders as the issue involved, that most people have reacted to the issue, based on their own feelings, rather than on the facts behind it. |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:50 am | |
| The "letter" is probably the same hoax the Matthew Shepherd story has turned out to be. Zealots for a cause -in this case, gay acceptance- are relentless in their efforts to shame people who don't see things their way.
I'm starting to weary of these Tolerance Nazis myself. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Grandfather deserves award for taking in his gay grandson ! Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:56 am | |
| I have a nephew who is gay. We have known it since he was very young. I am sorry he is that way, but prefer it to having him be a robber. We simply do not discuss it. His grandmother does not know it. |
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