Henry VIII King of England and the Templars

Nearly two hundred years separated the era of the Templars and the reign of Henry VIII King of England. But it was the work, the beliefs and the religion of the Templars that Thomas Cranmer, the Archbishop of Canterbury destroyed under an edict issued by Henry VIII.

The date was c1530's, and King Henry VIII was deeply involved in an intrigue shrouded scheme to become the supreme head of the Church in England

But here is where history goes wrong, for in the struggle for religious supremacy between Protestant and Catholic denominations, the contemporary Egyptian religion practiced by the Cistercian monastics and their constituencies throughout the UK and on the Continent is ignored.

Yet it was this religion that fostered the hatred held by Henry VIII and Thomas Cranmer, the Archbishop of Canterbury, that led to the destruction of over 800 monasteries throughout England and Wales

It also goes wrong in ignoring the Egyptian ghouls that stared down on all who walked the grounds of the monasteries. These ghouls served as a reminder of the world’s first set of "commandments." Better known as Negative Confessions, they come to us from the "Papyrus of Ani" in the "Book of the Dead."

I have not killed men
I have not robbed
I have not stolen
I have not told lies

Henry VIII had to destroy the (I have not) featured ghouls in order to establish the supremacy of a Christian church and the Biblical (Thou shalt not) commandments!

James
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First CNN , then Crop Circles, Earthquakes, now History--all wrong?

Come on--are you having fun yet?

I thought Moses got the Ten Commandments from God when he was on Mt Sinai.
Henry the VIII was not God.
I know that much.

alice

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I thought Moses got the Ten Commandments from God when he was on Mt Sinai. Henry the VIII was not God.

James) No Henry VIII is not God - but if you'd read before you leap - you’d have seen that Henry VIII had nothing to do with the "have nots." The error is yours! The (have nots) are over 4000 years old and are the ancient equivalent of the commandments

O Far-strider who came forth from Heliopolis, I have done no falsehood.
O Fire-embracer who came forth from Kheraha, I have not robbed.
O Nosey who came forth from Hermopolis, I have not been rapacious.
O Swallower of shades who came forth from the cavern, I have not stolen.
O Dangerous One who came forth from Rosetjau, I have not killed men.
O Double Lion who came forth from the sky, I have not destroyed food-supplies.
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O Accuser who came forth from Wetjenet, I have not transgressed my nature, I have not washed out (the picture of) a god.
O Owner of horns who came forth from Asyut, I have not been voluble in speech.
http://www.philae.nu/akhet/Declaration.html


James
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James wrote:

Henry VIII had to destroy the (I have not) featured ghouls in order to establish the supremacy of a Christian church and the Biblical (Thou shalt not) commandments!

James
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Sorry, your writing was unclear to me.

Inasmuch as we cannot communicate, I will leave your thread. Enjoy...

alice)

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Sorry your writing was unclear. Inasmuch as we cannot communicate, I will leave your thread. Enjoy...

James) I hope that readers of your book alice, will make a better effort to understand than you have here!

James
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Well, James, you learn something new every day. I didn't reallise that you were so old. Only someone with firsthand knowledge can be relied upon to know the truth. It's easy to say that historians lie. Historical documents can be faked, false, inaccurate or downright incorrect.

If you asked members here to write down everything they had read, over the last few days, on the threads on this forum, they could not be relied upon to report accurately.

You can read David Starkey's review of Diarmaid MacCulloch's book, Thomas Cranmer: A Life, here:

http://reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com/2010/11/thomas-cranmer-burning-sincerity-by.html

Shelagh

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Only someone with firsthand knowledge can be relied upon to know the truth.

James) That is the silliest most mis-informed statement I’ve ever heard. How many observers to an event would there be? A hundred?

Whoopee a hundred first hand statements - all of them the truth!

Nonsense

James
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I am back briefly, since 100 first hand statements cannot possibly be true, how can we trust your one, not first hand, account?

alice

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I am back briefly, since 100 first hand statements cannot possibly be true, how can we trust your one not firsthand account?

James) Read the history alice! It is all there, but it's in pieces. Some write of Henry VIII, some on the Egyptian presence in the UK, some on the Catholic Reformation and some on the Protestant. My interest is putting it all together

If you have doubts - please ask nicely - it beats being mean any day of the week

James
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Telling me that I'm silly and misinformed is your way of being nice, James?

This is a ghoul of Egyptian origin - it was carved on the corbel of a Scottish Romanesque church. There are two accompanying phrases from the (4500 year old) ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts that described its purpose

It was these (and the religion they represented) that led to the destruction of the monasteries c1530's

The Utterances read this way :: (an Utterance is like a numbered paragraph).

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Utterance 506 :: I am a living soul with bearded face, who endowed his head with divinity

Utterance 366 :: God they praise you lest you be far from them in your name of Sacred Beard

NOTE :: Observe how the head is built into the corbel to portray the image of He "who endowed his head with divinity"

Their ultimate meaning relates to the period when men wore beards as a sign of purity
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James
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Shelagh wrote:

Telling me that I'm silly and misinformed is your way of being nice, James?

Is this teaching by example?

It reminds me of the mother crab who told her baby, "Walk with your legs straight."

The baby replied, "Please show me how."

alice

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It reminds me of the mother crab

James) It reminds me that you have trouble understanding and you were going to leave the thread - if you intend to stay - why don't you concentrate on what's being offered?

James
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James wrote:

This is a ghoul of Egyptian origin - it was carved on the corbel of a Scottish Romanesque church. There are two accompanying phrases from the (4500 year old) ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts that described its purpose

It was these (and the religion they represented) that led to the destruction of the monasteries c1530's

The Utterances read this way :: (an Utterance is like a numbered paragraph).

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Utterance 506 :: I am a living soul with bearded face, who endowed his head with divinity

Utterance 366 :: God they praise you lest you be far from them in your name of Sacred Beard

NOTE :: Observe how the head is built into the corbel to portray the image of He "who endowed his head with divinity"

Their ultimate meaning relates to the period when men wore beards as a sign of purity
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James
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Or the stone mason who had studied his trade just carved something his client had seen and liked with no special meaning intended or maybe the Mason had a free hand and used imagery he had seen before somewhere. No way to tell for sure James. It is all speculation you can't be certain.

Here's a different interpretation:

http://www.beyond-the-pale.org.uk/zDalmeny.htm

The temptation to jump in on this thread is strong, but I'm trying to resist temptation, as in "lead us not into..."

Jump in, Abe, I have been booted off.

James wrote:

alice)

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Sorry your writing was unclear. Inasmuch as we cannot communicate, I will leave your thread. Enjoy...

James) I hope that readers of your book alice, will make a better effort to understand than you have here!

James
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Clearly you have not read Alice's book. If you had you would understand that her book was quite clear and accurate in its delivery of an important message. It was not about appearing to have some sort of higher knowledge to impart to us lesser ones.

The Templars were effectively destroyed between 1307 and 1312, by Phillip IV of France and Pope Clement V. They were a Christian Order with a military mission, and controlled a great deal of wealth, so once the Crusades were over, the Church and State had no need of them, and wanted their money, so they were disgraced and disbanded.

There is a connection between the Templars and the Masonic Order, which uses some Egyptian symbols, but not in the sense you seem to be using.

Henry VIII wanted the monasteries disbanded for similar reasons to that of Phillip, Clement, and the Templars. He wanted their money.

Ann

Historians have underplayed the immensity of the destruction and hurt wrought upon the religious orders with the Dissolution of the Monasteries. It was not just the monasteries, but over 850 monastic houses (priories, convents and friaries) all across England, Wales and Ireland during the years 1536 to 1540(41)


One must ask - (rather than displacing the monks/nuns, the sisters, and friars) why did Henry VIII physically destroy the masonry structures?

What did they hold that couldn’t be removed - short of total destruction?

Here is a partial list with photographs of the remains

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monasteries_dissolved_by_Henry_VIII_of_England
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This photograph is Jervaulx Abbey, East Witton, North Yorkshire :: Cistercian (c1537)/

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James
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No one is disputing the extent of destruction done to the monasteries, or the amount of knowledge that was lost.

Lost.

Any speculation as to what knowledge is just that: speculation.

Henry III ruled from 1216 to 1272. Did you mean Henry VIII?

Ann

Hi Ann,

You might find this page about Dalmeny Church interesting reading:

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/queensferry/dalmenychurch/index.html

James,

Buildings have been razed to the ground and built upon ever since man started to build permanent structures. Jerusalem is one of the best examples:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/jerdavid.html

The Babylonians, who destroyed Jeruslalem, suffered the same fate when Babylon was destroyed:

http://www.bible-history.com/babylonia/BabyloniaHistory_of_Babylonia.htm

alj

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Any speculation as to what knowledge is just that: speculation.

James) Speculation for you perhaps alj, but it is historical record! We learn by taking an interest and taking the time to read it.

Historians have underplayed the immensity of the destruction and hurt wrought upon the religious orders with the Dissolution of the Monasteries. It was not just the monasteries, but over 850 monastic houses (priories, convents and friaries) all across England, Wales and Ireland during the years 1536 to 1540(41)


One must ask - (rather than displacing the monks/nuns, the sisters, and friars) why did Henry VIII physically destroy the masonry structures?

What did they hold that couldn’t be removed - short of total destruction?

Here is a partial list with photographs of the remains

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monasteries_dissolved_by_Henry_VIII_of_England
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This photograph is Jervaulx Abbey, East Witton, North Yorkshire :: Cistercian (c1537)/

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James
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Thank you for your correction of Henry III to Henry VIII. I noticed that also.

Shelagh

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Buildings have been razed to the ground and built upon ever since man started to build permanent structures. Jerusalem is one of the best examples:

James) It seems you did not read what was posted or understand the intent. We're not talking just buildings Shelagh - we're talking of over 850 structures all done for a single purpose and under decree.

We're talking about the historians that ignored the corbel ghouls in order to re-write history to suit themselves

James
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James wrote:

Shelagh

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Buildings have been razed to the ground and built upon ever since man started to build permanent structures. Jerusalem is one of the best examples:

James) It seems you did not read what was posted or understand the intent. We're not talking just buildings Shelagh - we're talking of over 850 structures all done for a single purpose and under decree.

We're talking about the historians that ignored the corbel ghouls in order to re-write history to suit themselves

James
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No, James, that's what you are trying to do. You have ignored all the links I have provided.