The truth about Crop Circles

James,

I am not understanding this thread. You began it by saying if we did not believe in crop circle we were dishonest.

We finally got to where we believed they were real--just did not know the origin.

Now you do not believe in Al. What has Al asked you to believe in?

I agree Alice it takes study - but everything worthwhile takes study!

To understand Al - you musk ask him what Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! is all about!

Have a happy holiday

James

What is the truth about crop circles?

Are any of them manmade?

Did you look at the ones the people claimed to make?

Just curious.

Alice

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What is the truth about crop circles?

Are any of them manmade?

No! A man made one is as fake as a wooden key in a copper factory

Look at my initial post. Crop Circles have all those characteristics, and none of them can be faked

James
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Thank you.

Happy Holidays!

Circle formations are the single most wondrous natural event of our day (if in fact they are natural). There are many ways of enjoying the phenomenon

The processes that form Circles are not unlike those that drive dust-devils. So if you see the familiar swirl of a dust-devil in a field of cereal crop (wheat, oat, rye, barley, etc) - get the farmer’s permission and go out and inspect the crop.

Here’s what you’ll find.

The roots and the nodes in the stem will deform and the root will be fused to the soil (NOTE: The stem on the left in the following image is a control sample - that is, it was outside the Circle and illustrated here for comparison)
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If the dust-devil was of any duration the crop will have gone down in wafer form and will over lap like this :: ////\\\\////\\\\ :: such that you have to lift one wafer /// to be able to lift the next
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The important thing is not to let anyone tell you otherwise. Dust-devils are common enough that you can check it out your own self

James
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What I want to know is: How do they know no two snowflakes are alike?

I'm trying to make sense out of this thread.
The truth about crop circles. I didn't know there were untruths.
Will it help me to know the truth?

My point precisely, Abe.

Ann

Folk, you are authors, but you have to read as well. The truth and the untruths were stated in the initial post and many times throughout

If the subject interests you - go back and read what you’ve missed, if it doesn't interest you (than why are you here?)

James
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Yes, James, we are authors. That's the problem. We do not understand your use of the word truth. You have put forward evidence that crop circles are caused by abnormal damage to the crop that produces patterns visible from above. If scientists have studied this phenomenon and can offer no explanation then the cause of the damage to the crop remains a mystery.

Simple explanation:

http://www.wyrdology.com/other/crop-circles.html

Research in the UK:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southampton/features/cropcircles/cropcircles.shtml

Mystery of the UK crop circles:

http://www.timetravel-britain.com/articles/history/crops.shtml

Although these circles have shown up in countries all over the world, the vast majority appeared in England -- Wiltshire in particular. This evidence alone suggests that the alien theory can be discounted. A tiny island off the coast of the world's biggest land mass is unlikely to attract the attention of aliens!

So many circles showing up suggests electro-magnetic currents at the Earth's surface are more likely to be the cause of crop damage. Crop growing in the UK is spread over a relatively small area compared to much bigger land masses around the world. Farmers on a small island grow on land that might have high electro-magnetic fields (pun intended!) whereas countries with vast land tracks have greater choice and grow in areas less affected by magnetic fields.

Since you brought up the necessity to read, I expect you to read all the information I've provided. I did.

Shelagh and all,

Throughout this thread I have shown how the roots and nodes of the crop are deformed in almost arthritic manner (biologically). This biological feature is characteristic of all Crop Circles -- and they are there for the looking.

There is no artificial means of producing this, and it is so prominent that a youngster could go into a Crop Circle field (or where there had been a dust-devil) and identify it.

Now let’s look at the first website you referenced. My first statement is that it is not authoritative (and worthless in my opinion). Here’s why:
http://www.wyrdology.com/other/crop-circles.html

Under the paragraph, What Causes Crop Circles? It makes these statements

a.) Many are, without doubt, man-made hoaxes.

Is that true? No, In a Circle the crop stem is changed biologically from the root to the tip - mankind has not found a way to do that.

b.) Although it is a fact that many crop circles are fakes, the known hoaxers

Is it a fact, and is it true? No! It is not true

Under the statement Some of the theories behind the origin of these remaining crop circles include:

c.) (it suggests) Aliens, weapons, and ball lightning

Are any of these true? No! There is no evidence of any of those factors at work.

MY NOTE: The article never mentions any of the factors that clearly identify and are characteristic of all circles.

I would call this reference of no value - I’ll discuss the other articles you posted after people have a chance to discuss this response

James
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James,

With all due respect, I do not know you. Going to your website did not enhance my knowledge.

One of Shelagh's post says most mainstream scientists believe crop circles are a hoax.

At this point, I can only conclude that you are not a mainstream scientist.

Alice

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mainstream scientists believe crop circles are a hoax. believe crop circles are a hoax.

Show me - What I have said you can see for yourself. Mainstream scientists are either deliberately appearing blind or have an agenda.

We should respect neither

James
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Read Shelagh's second source, last sentence.


Most mainstream scientists believe the only explanation for crop circles lies in the footboards of hoaxers.

Alice

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Read Shelagh's second source, last sentence

One thing at a time - Show me where mainstream scientists believe crop circles are a hoax.

P.S. you said :: your website did not enhance my knowledge

James :: I do not have a website

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James,

We are going in circles. Ann, Abe and myself have agreed they exist. Why must we believe in how they came about?

Is this a religion or what?

James,

The first source was a simple explanation. You don't want to discuss it. Fine by me.

Shelagh

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The first source was a simple explanation. You don't want to discuss it. Fine by me.

James) I'll discuss what ever you wish about the first source. I gave you my impressions - what exactly do you have in mind?

James
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The first source is not worth discussing; we've already established that.

It's seems odd to me that someone from outside the UK should be so sure about what is the truth concerning crop circles when over 50% of the world's crop circles appeared in England -- and most of those in Wiltshire!

http://www.wccsg.com/Portals/6/Daily%20Telegraph%20Clive%20Aslet%20190810.pdf

By the way, Wiltshire covers 861,000 acres, the same as the grape acreage of California:

http://westernfarmpress.com/california-grape-acreage-estimated-861000

Shelagh

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It's seems odd to me that someone from outside the UK should be so sure about what is the truth concerning crop circles when over 50% of the world's crop circles appeared in England -- and most of those in Wiltshire!

James) What is so odd about it? I've been in Crop Circles in the U.S. There is no difference!

And being in the UK makes no difference. I've studied the White Horse of Uffington and the Cerne Abbas Giant. I was going to write a book about the Cerne Abbas Giant and submitted a brief to Oxbow Books, Oxford, but they thought the audience was too small.

I can't open the pdf file.

I'm short of time at the moment - I'll get to your second reference in a bit.

James
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Aw Phooey! it was getting good!

There are many mysterious things in Wiltshire. She's a bit of a mystery:

Wouldn't it be fun to plant a corn maze in the design of one of the crop circles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_maze

Love,
Betty

Betty,

Yes, you do it, Please.

Shelagh,

While we wait for James, let's consider the truth of how Stonehenge came about. I've been there, but do not know for certain or even uncertain how it came to be.