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Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles
Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:42 am
</embed></object><br /><br />Make of this what you will and <font color="red">I am not endorsing this.</font></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76177" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76183" id="p76183" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76183" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76183"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 12662<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-01-11<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:18 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>It reminds me of the dubious quote (that no one actually said!): "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me." Good enough for aliens too!</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76183" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76184" id="p76184" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76184" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76184"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 12662<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-01-11<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:20 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>alj wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">Are there crop circles in China? I'm asking a serious question.<br /><br />Ann</dd> </dl>Considering the land mass, it would be very surprising if crop circles do not exist in China, Ann.<br /> <br />Now don't laugh. Promise? In the Chilbolton 'Arecibo message' Formation (in the above video) the message in the formation crop rectangle differed slightly from the original message that was sent out into space. The atomic numbers indicating the prevalent elements making up life on Earth have an additional value inserted into the binary sequence. This is precisely added in the correct location, and in the original binary code (therefore it can't be a mistake). Decoding from the crop formation, this additional element has an atomic number of 14 = Silicon.<br /><br /> -- a right chip off the old block. No, don't laugh.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76184" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76187" id="p76187" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76187" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76187"></a><strong>alj</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Five Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Five Star Member" title="Five Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/245-63.jpg" alt="alj" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 9633<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-12-05<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Age</span> : </span> 80<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> San Antonio<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:30 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>I'm not laughing.<br /><br />Ann</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76187" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.annjoiner.com" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.annjoiner.com" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76188" id="p76188" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76188" style="position: relative; 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Good enough for aliens too!</dd> </dl><br />Do they speak King James, too?<br /><br />Ann</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76188" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.annjoiner.com" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.annjoiner.com" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76189" id="p76189" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76189" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76189"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 12662<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-01-11<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:37 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>No. Only Queen's English. They're all New Yorkers.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76189" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76197" id="p76197" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76197" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76197"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:23 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Knowledgeable people that perpetrate the man made formations myth are manifestly ignorant. They are more than ignorant<br /><br />I used to farm hay and corn and would spread fertilizer and insecticide as needed as the crop grew. The tractor wheels would roll over a lot of the crop. But within hours the crop would begin to straighten and by the first rain there’d be no evidence of their being trampled.<br /><br />Man made formations would similarly recover in days. Crop Circle Formations do not recover.<br /><br />How long do you suppose the media has been covering that up?<br /><br />Being willingly ignorant is stupid<br /> <br /><br />James<br />/</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76197" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76198" id="p76198" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76198" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76198"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; 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top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76201"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:43 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Shelagh <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">Editorial note: "people who ..." not "people that ..."</dd> </dl><br /><font color="red"><strong>WRONG</strong></font> <br /> <br />"That" is a word that is used in the English language for several grammatical purposes: * to introduce a restrictive clause * <font color="red"><strong>as a demonstrative pronoun</strong></font> * as a complementizer.<br /> <br />Not good Shelagh<br /><font color="white">/</font></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76201" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76203" id="p76203" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76203" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76203"></a><strong>alice</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Five Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Five Star Member" title="Five Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/220-75.jpg" alt="alice" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 15672<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-10-22<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Age</span> : </span> 76<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> Redmond, WA<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:01 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/fresse.png" alt="What a Face" longdesc="21" /> </div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"><br /><br />Last edited by alice on Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:07 am; edited 2 times in total</span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76203" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/acrooker/" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.freewebs.com/acrooker/" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76204" id="p76204" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76204" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76204"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 12662<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-01-11<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:03 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>James wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">How long do you suppose the media has been covering that up?<br /></dd> </dl>This article was posted in 2002 and it's still there. No cover-up:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A724204</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76204" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76205" id="p76205" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76205" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76205"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 12662<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-01-11<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:09 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>James wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">Shelagh <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">Editorial note: "people who ..." not "people that ..."</dd> </dl><br /><font color="red"><strong>WRONG</strong></font> <br /> <br />"That" is a word that is used in the English language for several grammatical purposes: * to introduce a restrictive clause * <font color="red"><strong>as a demonstrative pronoun</strong></font> * as a complementizer.<br /> <br />Not good Shelagh<br /><font color="white">/</font></dd> </dl><br />Rule 1. Who refers to people. That and which refer to groups or things. <br /> <br /> Examples: Anya is the one <strong>who</strong> rescued the bird. <br /><br />She belongs to an organization <strong>that</strong> specializes in saving endangered species. <br /><br />http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoVwhVt.asp<br /></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76205" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76207" id="p76207" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76207" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76207"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:13 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><font color="black">Shelagh <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><font color="black"><span style="font-size: 13px; line-height: normal"><font color="black">This article was posted in 2002 and it's still there. No cover-up</font></span></font></dd> </dl></font><br /><strong></strong> <br /><strong><font color="red">WRONG</font></strong> <br /> <br /><img src="https://2img.net/h/lh4.ggpht.com/_afrdq0MTSFc/SeyGj5_oTSI/AAAAAAAAA8s/-JhCZ099OcE/s512/Steven%20011.jpg" border="0" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Steven%20011"/><br /><font color="white">/</font><br /><img src="https://2img.net/h/lh3.ggpht.com/_afrdq0MTSFc/Sfs2clWhCZI/AAAAAAAAA_k/KCf4jerGsNE/s400/Green%20008.jpg" border="0" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Green%20008"/><br /><font color="white">/</font><br />Caption reads <strong><font color="red">This is probably 2 weeks of rest.</font></strong><br /><font color="white">/</font><br /><img src="https://2img.net/h/lh3.ggpht.com/_afrdq0MTSFc/SeyFfkSMjGI/AAAAAAAAA74/qlO4Eu__nq4/s400/Steven%20005.jpg" border="0" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Steven%20005"/><br /> <br />Source http://www.franciscanfamilyfarms.com/2009/05/30/moving-cows-is-the-best-mig/<br /> <br />Not good Shelagh<br /><font color="white">/</font></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76207" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76209" id="p76209" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76209" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76209"></a><strong>dmondeo</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Five Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Five Star Member" title="Five Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/284-89.jpg" alt="dmondeo" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 1485<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2009-02-15<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Age</span> : </span> 69<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:17 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Shelagh wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>alj wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">Are there crop circles in China? I'm asking a serious question.<br /><br />Ann</dd> </dl>Considering the land mass, it would be very surprising if crop circles do not exist in China, Ann.</dd> </dl> <br />I would not be surprised to find that there were no crop circles in China seeing as the communist rule in that country is very strict I don't think the Aliens would risk ruining a paddy field.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76209" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76210" id="p76210" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76210" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76210"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 12662<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-01-11<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:17 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Did the BBC page disappear? What a mystery!<br /><br />Click on it again, James:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A724204<br /></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76210" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76212" id="p76212" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76212" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76212"></a><strong>dmondeo</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Five Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Five Star Member" title="Five Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/284-89.jpg" alt="dmondeo" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 1485<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2009-02-15<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Age</span> : </span> 69<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> UK<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:31 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Shelagh wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>James wrote:</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">How long do you suppose the media has been covering that up?<br /></dd> </dl>This article was posted in 2002 and it's still there. No cover-up:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A724204</dd> </dl><br />I stand corrected Shelagh regarding no historical references I quote from the article you linked above:<br /><font color="brown">Crop circles are not a new phenomenon. There are 17th Century woodcuts that record the observation of what appears to be crop circles. One such woodcut, entitled The Devil Mower, appeared in a Hertfordshire newspaper dated 22 August, 1678. The article described the apparition overnight of a strange design in a field of oats, so neatly pressed that 'no mortal man was able to do the like' which was attributed to the 'devil or some infernal spirit'. By convoluted logic this apparition confirmed the existence of God since, it was argued, if devils have a Hell then there must be a Heaven, and a God.<br /><br />Simple circles have appeared on farmland for generations. However, these enigmatic formations were often not reported since they were considered by country folk to be the result of natural causes, such as rutting deer, hedgehogs or crows feeding on ripened seed heads and trampling the crop in a ring. Circular damage has also been attributed to strange diseases, magic, fairies, and the intervention of demons. Consequently, silence was guaranteed either for fear of ridicule and ostracism from the community, or fear of losing a buyer for the crop. This situation probably holds true today, with many people afraid to come forward for similar reasons.<br /><br />However, it is true that many farmers on whose land crop circles appear, rather than hush up and deny their existence, actually charge the public to access the site, thereby compensating for any damaged crops and possibly making a profit into the bargain.</font><br /><br />You learn something every day. Pity they had no photography in the 17th century.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76212" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76213" id="p76213" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76213" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76213"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:37 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div><i><strong><font color="red">Wrong again Shelagh </font></strong></i><br /> <br />First<i>, "</i>Knowledgeable people" is plural - hence a group (see your own post)<br /> <br />Secondly "<i>that"</i> can be used as a pronoun (see source below)<br /> <br /> <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><span style="font-size: 13px; line-height: normal">That as a Pronoun <br /> <br /><br /><br />(text) But, of course, it is also more complicated than that. The who-goes-with-people rule is the conventional wisdom (1,2), but, on the other hand, I did find a credible reference that says otherwise.<br /> <br />I was shocked to see that my <i>American Heritage Dictionary</i> says,<br />It is entirely acceptable to write either the man that wanted to talk to you, or the man who wanted to talk to you<br /> <br />Wow. So I dug around some more and found that there is a long history of writers using <i>that</i> as a relative pronoun when writing about people. Chaucer did it, for example</dd> </dl></span> <br />Source http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-that.aspx<br /><font color="white">/</font></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76213" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76215" id="p76215" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76215" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76215"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:16 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Stepping down on a crop will break <font color="red">the crop stem</font> and never affect the nodes<br /><br />The stems in a Crop Formation are not affected - just the nodes are altered<br /><br />Stupid is not knowing the difference between a stem and a node<br /><img src="https://2img.net/h/www.cropcircles.net/ed2.gif" border="0" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Ed2"/><br /><br />James<br /><font color="white">/</font></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76215" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76218" id="p76218" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76218" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76218"></a><strong>alice</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Five Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Five Star Member" title="Five Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/220-75.jpg" alt="alice" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 15672<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-10-22<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Age</span> : </span> 76<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> Redmond, WA<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:39 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div> <img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/fresse.png" alt="What a Face" longdesc="21" /> </div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"><br /><br />Last edited by alice on Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:05 am; edited 1 time in total</span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76218" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/acrooker/" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.freewebs.com/acrooker/" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76219" id="p76219" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76219" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76219"></a><strong>Shelagh</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Admin<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/starwars/starwars7.gif" alt="Admin" title="Admin" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/1-45.jpg" alt="Shelagh" style="max-width: 150px; 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line-height: normal">That as a Pronoun <br /> <br /><br /><br />(text) But, of course, it is also more complicated than that. The who-goes-with-people rule is the conventional wisdom (1,2), but, on the other hand, I did find a credible reference that says otherwise.<br /> <br />I was shocked to see that my <i>American Heritage Dictionary</i> says,<br />It is entirely acceptable to write either the man that wanted to talk to you, or the man who wanted to talk to you<br /> <br />Wow. So I dug around some more and found that there is a long history of writers using <i>that</i> as a relative pronoun when writing about people. Chaucer did it, for example</dd> </dl></span> <br />Source http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-that.aspx<br /><font color="white">/</font></dd> </dl><br />At last an opportunity to talk about writing on a writers' forum! <br /><br />"<font color="red">Knowledgeable people </font>that perpetrate the man made formations myth are manifestly ignorant. <font color="red">They</font> are more than ignorant." <br />If "Knowledgeable people" is being referred to as a group, the use of "they" in the second sentence is inappropriate. A group is singular.<br /><br />If "Knowledgeable people" is being referred to as a group, since a group is singular, the verb should be singular:<br /><br />Knowledgeable people that perpetrates the man made formations myth is manifestly ignorant.<br /><br />Clearly, although grammatically correct, the sentence would never be written that way. "Knowlegeable people" would be treated as plural and not as a singular group.<br /><br /></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76219" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://shelaghwatkins.co.uk" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76227" id="p76227" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76227" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76227"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:08 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Two sources say you are wrong. And I'd prefer to side with the <i>American Heritage Dictionary</i> and Chaucer. <br /> <br />So that you can join those that walk with confidence into a Circle, a stem looks like this ------------<br /> <br />And a node looks like this O<br /> <br />Now put them together and a healthy stalk will look like this<br /> ----O-------O-------O------<br /> <br />Now you are an expert on fake vs real.<br /> <br />Fake breaks the stem and real alters the node<br /> <br />EASY - welcome to the knowledgeable and well informed<br /> <br />James<br />/</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76227" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76228" id="p76228" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76228" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76228"></a><strong>alj</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Five Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default6.gif" alt="Five Star Member" title="Five Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><img loading="lazy" src="https://2img.net/u/1414/21/58/76/avatars/245-63.jpg" alt="alj" style="max-width: 150px; max-height: 150px" /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 9633<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2008-12-05<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Age</span> : </span> 80<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Location</span> : </span> San Antonio<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row2" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:29 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>James:<br /><br /> <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">I'd prefer to side with the <i>American Heritage Dictionary</i> and Chaucer. </dd> </dl><br />And this is the next paragraph from your source:<br /><br /> <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote">So, it's more of a gray area than some people think, and if you have strong feelings about it, you could make an argument for using <i>that </i>when you're talking about people. But <i><strong>my guess is that most people who use who and that interchangeably do it because they don't know the difference</strong></i>. I don't consider myself a grammar snob-–this is “quick and dirty” grammar, after all-–but in this case, <strong><i>I have to take the side of the people who prefer the strict rule.</i></strong> To me, <strong><i>using that when you are talking about a person makes them seem less than human.</i></strong> I always think of my friend who would only refer to his new stepmother as <i>the woman that married my father</i>. He was clearly trying to indicate his animosity and you wouldn't want to do that accidentally.</dd> </dl><br />Do you begin to see what happens when you take something out of context?<br /><br />As for Chaucer, he wrote in Middle English - a different language, used at a time before the Modern lEnglish language had been formalized.<br /><br />Ann</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76228" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> <a href="http://www.annjoiner.com" title="Visit poster's website" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://2img.net/i/fa/subsilver/icon_www.gif" alt="http://www.annjoiner.com" /></a> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76235" id="p76235" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76235" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76235"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:22 pm</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>You are wrong Ann. More so than Shelagh. <br /> <br /><i>1st) American Heritage Dictionary</i> says,<br />It is entirely acceptable to write either <strong>the man that</strong> wanted to talk to you, <strong>or the man who</strong> wanted to talk to you<br /><br />2nd) "That" can be used as a demonstrative pronoun and is valid when <font color="red">the person is identified.</font> I identified the person <font color="red"><font color="red"> <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><font color="red"><font color="red"><span style="font-size: 13px; line-height: normal"><font color="red"><font color="red">Knowledgeable people</font> </font><font color="black">that perpetrate the man made formations myth are manifestly ignorant</font></span></font></font></dd> </dl></font></font><br />3rd) there is a long history of writers using <i>that</i> as a relative pronoun when writing about people. <br />Source <font color="#056b9e">http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-that.aspx</font><br /> <br />The real problem Ann is that you don't seem to know the difference between a stem and a node<br /><font color="white">/</font><br /><font color="white">/<br /></font></div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76235" style=""><td class="row1 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row1 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76240" id="p76240" style=""><td class="row2" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76240" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76240"></a><strong>Abe F. 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But both of them? It reminds me of the song, "know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run..." <br />I suggest you lace up your running shoes.</div><div class="clear"></div></div><span class="gensmall"></span></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post--76240" style=""><td class="row2 browse-arrows" align="center" valign="middle" width="150"><a href="#top"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_up" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Back to top" loading="lazy" /></a> <a href="#bottom"><img class="sprite-arrow_subsilver_down" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Go down" loading="lazy" /></a></td><td class="row2 messaging gensmall" width="100%" height="28"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="middle"> </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr class="post post--76268" id="p76268" style=""><td class="row1" valign="top" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="76268" style="position: relative; top: -30px; width: 1px;" id="76268"></a><strong>James</strong></span><br /><span class="postdetails poster-profile">Four Star Member<br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/itest/ranks/default/default5.gif" alt="Four Star Member" title="Four Star Member" loading="lazy" /><br /><br /><br /><div class="dd_award right"></div><div class="award_more"></div><br><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Number of posts</span> : </span> 457<br /><span class="label"><span style="color:#000000;">Registration date</span> : </span> 2010-10-14<br /></span><br /><img src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" style="width:150px;height:1px" /></td><td class="row1" valign="top" width="100%" height="100%"><table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><span class="postdetails"><img class="sprite-icon_minipost" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" />Subject: Re: The truth about Crop Circles <img class="sprite-icon_miniposted" src="https://2img.net/i/empty.gif" alt="The truth about Crop Circles - Page 10 Empty" border="0" />Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:53 am</span></td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap" class="post-options"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="hr"><hr /></td></tr><tr height="100%" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><div class="postbody"><div>Abe <dl class="codebox"> <dt><span class="genmed"><b>Quote :</b></span></dt> <dd class="quote"><span style="font-size: 13px; line-height: normal">I suggest you lace up your running shoes</span>.</dd> </dl> <br />James) When was it ever right to turn one’s back when there is a bit of adversity? 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