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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:35 am | |
| 11/29/2010 It was just announced that all Federal employees pay will be frozen for two years, nothing said about congressman, senators, president or vice-president. Now what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I feel congressman, senators, President and vice-president are federal employees and their salaries should be cut in half, many of them are very wealthy, what is your opinion ? Cheers..Joe.. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:38 am | |
| Joe,
That is a tough question. Definitely freezing their salary is a great idea, but cutting it in half might be a bit drastic.
They often maintain two homes and I wouldn't want their kids and spouses underfed or underhoused. Many of them are millionaires, which is no longer wealthy. Their homes may put them in that category. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:43 am | |
| Considering the job he has to do, the presidential salary of $400,000 a year doesn't seem like that much. And cutting it in half wouldn't be a particularly big help.
Ann |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:12 am | |
| 11/29/2010 It's about time politicians realize they too have to give up their perks, cut their salaries by 35% that's fair.. Cheers..Joe |
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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:25 am | |
| Those who voted to reduce the tax on the wealthy would be a better selection for tax increase. Just imagine what a 5% sur-tax on all the billionaires would produce. |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:30 am | |
| Government employee salaries and benefits are far more generous than most comparable private sector ones. They get increases in good times but never decreases in bad times. They need their salaries and benefits slashed, not just frozen. Let them quit for those higher paying private sector jobs so many claim they can get. They're easily replaceable.
I think the President and Congress are paid fairly, though. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:23 am | |
| 11/29/2010 Sorry Congress and the higher archy are paid way too much, they need to give up their perks and if their multi millionaires they need to give it back, they don't need it and stop all this money that's given to them by companies to get what they want, they have to know what it's like to live like a middle class person..... Cheers..Joe |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:23 am | |
| - Abe F. March wrote:
- Those who voted to reduce the tax on the wealthy would be a better selection for tax increase. Just imagine what a 5% sur-tax on all the billionaires would produce.
Yes, we could give even more to Israel to support their rogue activities against Palestine and the 30% of their population on welfare. And to Afghanistan, to be spirited away in suitcases. Or to give government workers here higher salaries. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:25 am | |
| 11/29/2010 LC... Knows not what she talks about ! She must be la la.. Cheers..Joe |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:48 am | |
| The rich already pay most of the taxes in this country. I've read that as much as 40% of this country doesn't pay income tax at all. In fact, many get the EIT (Earned Income Tax) reimbursement on tax they never even paid. The rich already pay plenty to keep alive people here and abroad that should be allowed to die out with the Neanderthal already. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:23 pm | |
| LC, Now you talking like Scrooge. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:28 pm | |
| 11/29/2010 Alice.. I agree with you ! The wealthy (LC) always scream the loudest when it's the middle class who always get the shaft ! If you add up all the different kinds of taxes we already pay it would boggle the mind, now their talking about adding a Value added Tax 6% on top of everything, that's how Europe started and now some of them are 20% value added Tax ! Cheers..Joe |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:55 pm | |
| Joe, The middle class is a vanishing class, we now have the poor and the rich. A very unfortunate situation-- the rich hate the poor and the poor envy the rich. |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:10 pm | |
| Joe -I'm middle class, not rich.
Alice -I don't think the rich hate the poor and the poor envy the rich. I think that's something that some agenda-ized media articles and political speeches try to accomplish, though. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:20 pm | |
| 11/29/2010
I do agree with one politician who said we have to dump our current tax system for one that has only two taxes, or I do think we should dump the whole system which is corrupt and have one fixed tax , 10% on everything except food, that means getting rid of taxes on everything....And we have to fight the value added tax their planning for next year !
Cheers..Joe |
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dmondeo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1485 Registration date : 2009-02-15 Age : 69 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:25 pm | |
| Joe they should do the same to our politicians in the uk. Cut their wages I say. All the Government is doing is cutting benefits from those who need them. The rich get richer leaching off the poor. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:38 pm | |
| Joe, where did you get your info about the freeze for two years on govt. wages? I know the President's Commission is going to make some hard recommendations. Was that one of them? |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:50 pm | |
| 11/29/2010 DK.. It was announced today by Obama, check the news media , it's all over the place... Cheers..Joe |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:53 pm | |
| 11/29/2010 David.. I just saw a great speech by a British politician saying countries are falling one after the other, Ireland 13 billion loan, he said Portugal is next then Spain. If these countries did like England and kept their own currency and not get into the Euro they would have been better off, I say they should go back to their own currency before it's too late.. Cheers...Joe |
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dmondeo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1485 Registration date : 2009-02-15 Age : 69 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:56 am | |
| The European Union (common market) is one big scam. The uk pays one of the highest membership fees while others pay considerably less. If we quit europe our debt would reduce by billions and recovery may occur quicker. Trouble is many UK companies thrive on the Euro trade agreement which could be affected if we left the EU so they would loose business. The single currency is also a big scam I hope we never join it as prices would rocket and we the poorer people would again suffer. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:34 am | |
| My understanding is that the wage freeze is a proposal that has yet to receive congressional approval. Therefore, if it goes into effect, it is the voice of the elected representatives that puts it there. When President Obama came into office, he froze the wages of political appointees. I have worked for both public and private organizations that froze wages for a year and did not provide the annual increase. In both cases, we survived. However, the leaders of the organizations at the very top did not change their compensation. The President of the United States has a very low salary for his responsibilities. While perks make up for some of it, those perks are not greater and even less than corporate CEO's. I'm actually surprised that anyone with the ability to run a nation as complex as ours would choose to run. The private sector has much more to offer in terms of privacy and compensation. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:25 am | |
| Anyone who runs and becomes the President has my deepest sympathy. Thier life is over.
How on earth do they get up everyday and hear how horrible they are as they try to do what they promised they would do? The media circulates outright lies about them.
President Obama has a wonderful wife and children. They will never be this age again. If I were he, I would say, "Take this job and stuff it.. I am going to enjoy my life." |
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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:33 am | |
| About federal employees: How about if they get to keep their current wage but are paid only for the hours they actually work? |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:37 am | |
| Al, That is a great idea! Now that would save us a lot. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: JUST ANNOUNCED: FEDERAL EMPLOYEES PAY FROZEN-2 YEARS Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:05 pm | |
| Actually, it is not only government employees who don't put in a full day's work. Just as many government employees work their full load. People are who they are; if they lack integrity and work skills, that is a general trait and can be found anywhere. The industrious person can likewise be found anywhere. |
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