THE NATIONAL TEA PARTY

4/19/2010

Abe..

Here in the USA, the American people
" Don't," like the goverment telling them what to
do and how to do it, we are a nation of " Free
Thinkers," Todays politicians have an attitude that
they know better, trust me , they don't, it's time to
get young blood in , get these fossils out, their
time has come and Nov., they will be voted out......


Cheers..Joe

Free thinking is one thing, free acting is another. Without government restrictions and control in many areas, there would be total chaos. The government represents the people - at least that's the way it is supposed to work. Electing our representatives is our way to influence change. Change that benefits all citizens and not just the privileged few has become a big issue. That was made clear with the health care debate. Young blood, new ideas, were issues with the most recent presidential election. There is no guarantee that young blood can affect change. Sometimes it takes maturity to make it happen in the political arena. There are always exceptions.

4/19/2010


Abe..

We llive in two different worlds, you live in
Europe another world unto itself, I live in the USA,
another world. We don't want , do we need a
Socialist society, right now more than80% of the
people are against and are very angry at the
government , the president is own to 46 % and
Congress is down to 17% that's how dam mad the
people are , we are already in a 12 trillion dollar
debt because their spending money like a bunch of
drunken sailors, there are 16 Million people who are
un-employed . And no I'm not a democrat nor am I
a republican nor am I a tea party, I usually vote
who is the best and so far not one of them, they
can't even handle the illegal immigration problem...
And this isn't racist, you just can't come into a
country get a job illegally not pay taxes , many of
these people don't give a dam, matter of fact a
rancher was murdered by one in Arizona a few
weeks ago, they just busted in Arizona one of the
biggest smuggling rings worth billions of dollars..
So I say out with the old lizards and the socialists
who think their going to destroy this country, as it
was said once in 1775 " Live Free Or Die ." Better
yet: " Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death "


Cheers..Joe

I think the old and sick should be boiled down into tallow to help us be independent of foreign oil.

Racist...present one human who is not racist...those who shout it the loudest are the biggest offenders. If humans were all the same color, and there was only one country...it would be how one thinks, eats, or sleeps.

Racist...present one human who is not racist.

4/19/2010

It's interesting how no one see's
the USA is in serious trouble, we are
a country that's falling apart and no one
gives a dam, people are scared to death
of the big taxes their going to drop on us
soon.. Maybe we should have a parlimentary
system ?

Cheers..Joe

We see, Joe; we know - we just don't agree on the solutions.

Ann

Joe,

It isn't that no one sees our country is in trouble. We just see the "trouble" in different ways. I don't want to see people die because of no access to health care. I don't want to see elderly living in the street because social security has been dropped. I don't want to see the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. I don't want to see a lack of jobs for those who truly want to work.

But Joe, socialism isn't communism. Communism was a failure and fell years ago, replaced with happiness in many countries. It fell in many places without a shot being fired. It was a seismic event.

There is no one solution. The solution is not to vote everyone out of office. The solution is not reducing all taxes. The solution is one we have not discovered yet. People are frightened, to try new things, to sit down and really speak to each other from both their hearts and minds.

I believe it begins with people communicating with each other, trying new things, even if they might not work and might have to be changed slightly or in big ways.

We need to start in our homes, communities, schools. We need to start with being friends, not enemies. Somehow we don't trust anymore, we blame, we stop listening to those who know, and begin listening to those who shout and get groups going in directions that are no more productive than what we have.

Carol

Carol Troestler wrote:

Communism was a failure and fell years ago, replaced with happiness in many countries. It fell in many places without a shot being fired. It was a seismic event.

I like that!

Quote :

I believe it begins with people communicating with each other, trying new things, even if they might not work and might have to be changed slightly or in big ways.

We need to start in our homes, communities, schools. We need to start with being friends, not enemies. Somehow we don't trust anymore, we blame, we stop listening to those who know, and begin listening to those who shout and get groups going in directions that are no more productive than what we have.

And that!

Actually, I liked all of it, but these two bits are especially cogent to the situation we are all facing - not just in this country, but worldwide, because this time, it's going to take a worldwide answer.

We can start right here on this board. We don't all see eye to eye, but we all tend to respect each other - even if we sometimes have peculiar ways of showing it.

We all have some things we agree on, and some we do not. We have different ways of expressing our beliefs. We are diversity in action, and as long as we keep talking, keep open minds, we have as good a chance as anyone (or any group) of coming closer to those solutions Carol is talking about.

Ann

4/19/2010

Carol...Ann...

I remember grwoing up 5o years ago
and at that time everyone on the block knew each
other , if you did something wrong , your Mother
knew in a heart beat, the store owners knew you,
today no one cares and if you do say something
you get in trouble..

I really don't have the answers, only God knows
what's going to happen, we just have to wait and
see, what disturbs me is the 16 Million people who
are un-employed, I have never seen that in my life
time....

Cheers..Joe

domenic Pappalardo wrote:

Racist...present one human who is not racist...those who shout it the loudest are the biggest offenders. If humans were all the same color, and there was only one country...it would be how one thinks, eats, or sleeps.

Racist...present one human who is not racist.

Yes, I see what you mean.

I disagree about the racism. I am not racist. If being racist is wanting everyone to think as you do, act as you do, than our world of diversity, creativity, productivity, would cease. We need diversity, new ideas, disagreement. Color of our skin, different languages spoken, different jobs are all good things.

Joe,

I think there is kindness and caring out there. Heroes are honored. A day doesn't go by that if we listen carefully we will hear about someone building a school for poor children, working on a cure for an illness, coming up with a new bright idea, helping neighbors or veterans build houses.

But we need to keep caring. Caring has to be part of our government, not greed which is rampant, where there are those trying to get as much money as possible.

I was kind of a "loner" kid Joe. I don't think many people knew exactly what I was doing and where I was going and that was all right with me. I spent more time in my grandfather's fascinating basement of invention than the kitchen. That's what it is all about, each being who we are, pursuing our own way of life without hurting others.

Carol

4/20/2010

Carol...

I agree with you 1000 % , the place
I admire the most is " St. Jude's Hospital, " for
children , two years ago I donated copies of my book
" Dusty," for the children, they do such great work for
children with cancer..

Cheers..Joe

Joe,
some of your posts suggest that I have no clue about America and how it works. The fact that I am an American and choose to live where I do, means that I have freedom of choice. It also means I have a point of comparison.

I think Carol's summary speaks well on the subject.

4/20/2010

Abe..

Everyone's enitled to their opinion. I
feel this country is headed in the wrong
direction, " Socialism." More than 75 % of the
public don't want this and they don't trust the
govt. or congress anymore...We don't base
our values on this , we are a democracy not a
socialist govt. and if the politicians can't figure
this out, then their out of a job, including the
President.....I have my opinion, period....!


Cheers..Joe...

Joe,
Pure socialism is not seen in the western world. Western democracies have varying degrees of socialism within their societies. Socialism is not evil; it is a question of how it is applied and to what degree. In America we have many forms of socialism. The UK, Germany and France also have social services that differ. For political reasons, socialism has been used as a tool to prevent a change in our health care system.
Can you imagine what our country would be like with no social services? Try to find another name to replace the word “social” and then evaluate the need in our society.

If you don’t want any social programs, the way to start is to refuse accepting them. Let’s start with social security. Simply refuse to accept your social security payment. But, you’ll say, it’s my money, I paid in and I’m entitled. Really? If it’s your money, then why not write to the social security administration and request a refund? Do you think they will pay it?

In Germany, the money deducted from your salary for social security is yours. You can at any time request a pay out, and they will pay it, plus interest on the money held for you.

We hear that our social security funds many not be enough to pay in the future. If one receives back what was paid it, why wouldn’t there be money available for the social security recipients? Why? The government uses the money when they need it. At one time there was a surplus and then it was used. Did they borrow it or simply take it? If they borrowed it, then there should be interest on the money borrowed, and since our government is trustworthy, they would guarantee that the money would be available to those who paid in. Why then would social security become bankrupt unless the money was mismanaged or stolen?

Next we could eliminate Welfare Services because that is socialism. Just let those without a job and unemployment compensation, starve. Why should we care? Just because the economy went sour when the chiefs of the financial market screwed up and caused much unemployment is tough luck.

Next we get rid of all unions. Collective bargaining is a form of communism. We can trust the employer to provide equitable compensation and not exploit the worker, right?

Then we eliminate Veterans programs. That’s socialism. Etc., etc.

All sarcasm aside, the social welfare of a country is good government.

Not sure how you're making the leap from unions to communism. Communism doesn't tolerate unions.

As for the rest, no one said that all socialized programs are bad. Of course you need programs to help those who can't help themselves, and to tide over temporary rough spots. I don't think Joe is referring to that.

You brought up Social Security -it was never intended to be a sole source of support. Yet that's what it has evolved into. I don't think most Americans want socialized health care -it was rammed down our throats in the dead of night. With a government takeover of student loans.

Socialism -taxing the productive to give equal benefits to the nonproductive -is not the same thing as socialized programs, which all civilized societies need.

Socialist; God is a socialist. Read the bible...his way, or the highway. I agree with Abe...socialism is needed.

Carol, you may not be an active racist at this time...but, an event could bring it to the surface.

I dunno, I think God has plenty to say about the lazy and the productive.


Proverbs 6:6-8
Go to the ant, sluggard; consider her ways and be wise; who having no guide, overseer, or ruler, provides her food in the summer and gathers her food in the harvest.

LC wrote:

I dunno, I think God has plenty to say about the lazy and the productive.


Proverbs 6:6-8
Go to the ant, sluggard; consider her ways and be wise; who having no guide, overseer, or ruler, provides her food in the summer and gathers her food in the harvest.

Quote :

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

Isn't quoting scripture like playing a game? One can manage to find just about anything one wants to justify.

Ann

The "judge not" verse was a non-sequitor. I wasn't talking about "judging," I was talking about working vs. not working. Are you saying that nobody should notice, let alone mention, that some people are nonproductive?

BTW, how should one do the "eye for an eye" thing without judging first?

Should one do the "eye for an eye" thing?

There are many OT rules that Christ disobeyed on a regular basis, according to the NT.

Some say that the NT represented a change in human consciousness and a major paradigm shift.

And some others suggest that we are in the middle of another such shift, into a worldview where community and compassion replace competition and justice (that "eye for an eye" thing).

Just me.

Ann

Ann,
I agree.

The bible says that Judas hanged himself.
Then there's part of a verse that says, "Go and do thou likewise."

There's no correlation, but it fits taking things out of context.

The "eye for an eye" is old testament with lots of revenge and hate. Jesus taught love and turning the other cheek.

Jesus was also about justice.

And if no one judged, we wouldn't have a court system.