Obama's Endless Healthcare Timewaster

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100313/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_special_deals

Why doesn't he take a hint already that nobody wants this?

3/13/2010


LC....


That's because politicians are arrogant, they think
they know better than the people, they forget " WE" are
the bosses not them. They forget it states: " We The People"
I guess they'll learn at the polls..


Cheers...Joe...

He's a bright guy; he must just have a blind spot about this. Did he campaign promising to overhaul healthcare? I honestly don't remember it being part of his platform. Where's his mandate for this?

The sob stories that are trotted out are not indicative of the system as a whole. Most people who don't have health insurance deliberately chose not to have it. They didn't make it a priority.

Democrats do this. It's their Holy Grail. They don't promise it, but as soon as they get in, suddenly the main agenda is "health care reform". And their administration smashes up on it like a ship on rocks.

This one is a particularly nasty (i.e. leftists, i.e. Chicago, i.e. pork-filled) piece of work that contains some amazing money-sinks that have nothing to do with health, such as a federal take-over of student loans that will probably triple tuitions a few years after it takes affect)

Not sure what the Repubican Holy Grail is any more. Fighting Communism is over, Fiscal Responsibility is too passe to think about.

Yeah -I am totally lost on the student loan thing. What prompted that? What in that system is so broken that he wants to take it over? And OF COURSE tuitions and textbooks will be 3x higher after it takes effect! They're so high right now due to the easy availability of government loans.

Why doesn't he take a hint already that nobody wants this?

Because quite a few of us do want it. Health care reform is essential, and while this bill isn't perfect, it's better than what we have now, and a step in the right direction.

Ann

Who is health care reform essential to?

Me. I could be cancelled for having hit the limit.

I have had several very costly procedures.
When I was healthy, the last thing I thought of was health care.
It has come rather forcefully to my attenton.

I wouldn't want to bore anyone, but none of it seems to be my fault.

Parkinson's disease seemed to get the ball rolling downhill. A surgery in excess of 100,000 got that under conbtrol. Next a near miss with Pancreatic cancer. Had 40% of my Pancreas out and spleen went too

Triple -bypass surgery.

Battery replacement surgeries, three already who knows how many more?
It would be nice to know that I couldn't be canceled.

I feel for people, with sick kids and no money to pay.

Also, why should anyone lose their health and home too? Fort-five thosuand people die per year because they don't have health care.
Every other civilized nation has it..

Another reason I want it is because Rush Limbaugh is so against it. He will leave the country if we get it.

I have no problem with the part of his agenda that says everyone should be forced to buy insurance, although the tax subsidy proposal for low-income people is more garbage.

Lots of people don't buy insurance because think hey can't afford it, when they have simply prioritized their time and money differently. Lots of "stay at home moms" could get part time jobs during their copious message board posting time and put that money in its entirety towards premiums. Voila, health insurance. But they'd rather not work just to pay for that. Better to have people who DO work pay for it.

I also wonder what our system would look like if everyone had access -at taxpayer dime- to the kind of care you describe. Is it this way in countries with nationalized insurance? Do they all have easy access to every kind of treatment needed?

BTW, why is this now in the Chatterbox? Should news posts be posted here instead?

I'm also for it. I'm self-employed and my health insurance payment is like another mortgage. My son has pre-existing conditions, is now out of college and will need insurance as soon as I can no longer cover it for him. His medication alone would be $300 a month if he didn't still qualify to be on my policy.

3/13/2010

Their are certain parts of this bill I don't like,
First forcing people to get health care or face major
fines levied by the IRS , 2nd having the govt. running
it would be a major disaster, as we can see the govt.
doesn't know how to run itself. I don't like when a
politician says with arrogance " We know what's best
for the American Public, " " BULL!" They don't tell us
what to do , we tell them what to do. Now they've
added in Student Loans, the govt. want to take that
over too , smells to me like Socialist , we don't need
that. I think it would be more fair if they made a bill
where hospitals can't get away with over charging. My
Niece who just got married her husband got ill , he was
rushed to the hospital , first they thought it was the
colon , then they found out it was the appendix, we'll
he was in the hsopital for 2 days, guess what his bill
was ? Give up,..................$34,000- Eight years ago
I was in the hospital for 3 days, Pneumonia and then
they found out I have Congestive Heart Failure, that
bill was $12,500- Thank God the two drugs I take work
at one time one drug costs $250- a month Coreg, now
it's generic , $5.00 for 60 , I think the hospitals need to
be reined in with their prices....

Cheers...Joe

Joe, here is a part of the explanation for those costs:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/06/pf/fightback1_money_0603/index.htm

And here:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/Insureyourhealth/P74840.asp

Ann

Well, but if everyone was forced to buy insurance right now, that MIGHT help things. I agree that hospital care prices are out of control, but what's the cause of THAT? That they get stuck with so many non-payers they have to spread it around?

I'm fine with my health care coverage. I've always had insurance, even when I was much poorer and could have easily said, "I can't afford it." I think we all decide what we can and can't afford, and what we're willing to do for it, a lot more than the current hysteria gives credit for.

Everyone cannot afford coverage.

Medicare is not a bad system. Everyone says the government can't run anything? How about stopping the wars and paying for Helen's son instead?

Nobody revolts over the wars. We faithfully pay to kill people. Why not pay to help them?

The governemnt IRS program is very well-run--try evading your taxes.

3/13/2010

Ann...

I read both articles and they are true !
We need " SIMPLIFIED MEDICAL BILLING" Such
as:

Hospital Bill

1. Patients Stay...$250 day X 4 + $600-

2. Apendix Removal $2,500-

3. Anasthesia $1,500-

Simplified so the regular person can read it and
understand what the hell their talking about.....
But I don't think that'll happen in our lifetime..


Cheers..Joe

alice wrote:

Everyione cannot afford coverage.

Medicare is not a bad system.

I agree that everyone can't afford coverage.

I think that a lot of those who say they can't afford it could if they reprioritized their time and/or money.

I agree that Medicare isn't bad. It isn't good, either, though, in that its payment schedule is so low that not all places accept it. Which is their prerogative. If everyone was forced to accept a Medicare, what would our health care system look like?

Joe try $5000.00 x 4. More like it

I don't know, Joe, but I can't help thinking that a bit of regulation over hospitals, pharmaceuticals , and insurance companies might go a long way toward reducing costs.

Ann

alj wrote:

I don't know, Joe, but I can't help thinking that a bit of regulation over hospitals, pharmaceuticals , and insurance companies might go a long way toward reducing costs.

Ann

I agree.

Obama’s Presidential campaign gave much focus to health care reform. He was elected on the issues/promises he made. To deny reform is to deny the will of the people.

America’s health care system as it is today denies care to all people. The many examples and cases supporting this view have been discussed repeatedly. If you have a job and can afford it, you got it. If you are without, you stay without.

I have yet to hear someone without health care insurance speak out against health care reform.
Walk in the shoes of someone without coverage for a period of time, especially if you need care, and then tell me what you think.

I would have to say that the existing system seems to work about as well as State systems in most countries I've seen them, actually.

People come over to San Diego to be seen in community clinics rather than the state hospitals is Mexico, as one example.

I just have a feeling this will only make everything MORE expensive, actually. I don't see a whole lot of cases of the government running things cheaper.

Abe:

Quote :

Walk in the shoes of someone without coverage for a period of time,
especially if you need care, and then tell me what you think.

This sums up the situation perfectly.

Thanks, Abe

Ann

Abe F. March wrote:

Walk in the shoes of someone without coverage for a period of time, especially if you need care, and then tell me what you think.

Loads of unemployed or poor people are on Medicaid.

That's part of what I'm saying. I'm not sure all the pain of bad health care thing is really coming from people, rather than politics.

But I should recuse myself, I've had health care from either the Army or VA most of my life.

In beween, I paid cash. Which led to a few interesting situtations that apply to this somehow. They'd say, "Who is your insurance provider?" and when I didn't have one they'd freak out. "How are you going to pay??"
And I'd say, "You give me a bill and I will give you the money. What else?"
Twice there was consternation and they went in the back and came out and said, "Look, if you don't have insurance, it's not $200, it's only $80."

What this says about the situation isn't all that clear to me, but I don't think a system that routinely pads bills to insurance companies would hesitate to pad them even more to the Gummint.

In other words, LC, you have never been in such a situation.

Ann