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PostSubject: Who is winning/losing 1st debate.   Who is winning/losing 1st debate. EmptyWed Oct 03, 2012 6:42 pm

At this point, I would say that the one who is losing is Jim Lehrer. Who is winning/losing 1st debate. 467915

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PostSubject: Re: Who is winning/losing 1st debate.   Who is winning/losing 1st debate. EmptyWed Oct 03, 2012 7:47 pm

10/3/2012

From what I heard and saw I think they both came out

even.....On to the next debate...

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I think Governor Romney had his talking points memorized and never moved off point. His previous statements that were considered unpopular with the electorate were dropped as though he never made them and replaced with a more popular response. He ignored the moderator and pretty much President Obama and continued with his prepared remarks, repeating specifically the $90 billion green energy remark whether it was the right moment or not.

President Obama seemed distracted. Many of the things Romney said were not true; yet, President Obama did not come back with the truth. He did not have a memorized script. He appeared to speak off the cuff without much debate preparation. He seemed to miss the point that he was in competition with Romney. He left out so many talking points that the electorate needed to hear. My mind kept responding for him. He has a much better plan for America; yet, in this debate, Romney kept the floor and was convincing. President Obama was too polite.

Romney reminded me of my stint on television in the 80's. I was often called to fill in on local talk shows at the last minute because I could "fill more air with nothing that sounded like something important than anyone else." It was really a tease, but empty air was the ultimate sin of broadcasting. Romney was able to say nothing so well that he actually looked and sounded like a leader. His handlers need a raise. They made a place holder actually look like a viable candidate.
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I guess the main thing I could say was that there were no surprises for me, and my stand has not been changed by the debate, but then, I was already pretty well decided. I was put off by Romney's aggressiveness, and thought that Obama came off as being the more presidential in his calm assurance and resolve.

I felt for Jim Lehrer. He said, "Here are the rules," and while President Obama tried to respect them, Romney kept blustering in and interrupting and going overtime. That behavior did not do anything for me, personally.

As far as their plans and objectives, I thought each one stated their positions clearly, and, as I said, I came away with nothing changed.
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Didn't see the debate. Just now getting headlines and it appears that polls give Romney the win. I understand there's another debate before the election and people who are unsure about the candidates can still be influenced. Further debates won't change my mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Who is winning/losing 1st debate.   Who is winning/losing 1st debate. EmptyThu Oct 04, 2012 5:05 am

Yes, because he was more aggressive. I think the media had to give him the "win" so they would still have "news" to report.

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Why does the media rush to judgement? It is easy to get up and lie like a rat and act aggressive.. Do we want this in our leader? NO! When he acts like this to foreign countries I see war.
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PostSubject: Re: Who is winning/losing 1st debate.   Who is winning/losing 1st debate. EmptyThu Oct 04, 2012 7:51 am

I agree, Alice. What I'm hearing more of this morning goes with my first comment, that it wasn't so much about which debater won, but that Jim Lehrer lost. He lost control during the first two minutes when he didn't stop Romney from interrupting the president. He asked specific questions but was often ignored. I got the feeling that Obama would rather have played by the rules, but it was clear that Romney had no intention, and the President was forced to interrupt and go overtime as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Who is winning/losing 1st debate.   Who is winning/losing 1st debate. EmptyThu Oct 04, 2012 9:16 am

Another loser in the debate: Big Bird
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/10/03/big-birg-romney-debate-pbs/1612171/

About 30 minutes into the verbal contest between President Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney, the former governor explained that he would cut what he considers non-essential items in the budget, including cuts to PBS, which employs debate moderator Jim Lehrer.

"I'm sorry Jim. I'm gonna stop the subsidy to PBS. I'm gonna stop other things," Romney said. "I like PBS, I like Big Bird, I actually like you too."


At that point, someone in the Twitterverse responded by creating a @FiredBigBird account, which, as of this writing shortly after 10 p.m. ET Wednesday, had almost 9,900 followers.
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Public Television is a sacred cow. The loss would be horrific. Hopefully they will mount a huge campaign.
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My memory is that the PBS subsidy is a drop in the bucket compared to other cuts that actually make sense. I can remember when I had no channels whatsoever, but I could pull in public television for free. The programs have been magnificent for children whose lives are otherwise drab and without intellectual and cultural stimulation. Geez......I forgot he was against big bird.
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Leaving bias and agenda at the door, I think it was a draw. Neither candidate scored any new points or changed the minds of any of his opponent's supporters. Jim Leher didn't really lose. He was just the wrong guy for the job. They should've used Chris Matthews or Jim O-Reilly.
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"Agreed," she said, taking her tongue from her cheek to respond directly to an intelligent comment
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Al Stevens wrote:
Leaving bias and agenda at the door, I think it was a draw. Neither candidate scored any new points or changed the minds of any of his opponent's supporters. Jim Leher didn't really lose. He was just the wrong guy for the job. They should've used Chris Matthews or Jim O-Reilly.



Respectfully, who is Jim O-Reilly? Any relation to Bill?
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Respectfully, who is Jim O-Reilly? Any relation to Bill?
His evil twin.
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According to the BBC, round one goes to Mitt Romney.

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10/4/2012

I'm holding off on voting...Not satisfied by either one

must see more debates, more information....Otherwise

I'll wait this one out.....Means NO VOTING !



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Interesting new poll from Reuters says Romney "gained ground," but statistics show Obama still ahead:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSBRE8931E420121004

Romney is now viewed positively by 51 percent of voters, the first time he has enjoyed a net positive in the U.S. presidential race, the poll found. Obama's favorability rating remained unchanged at 56 percent, according to the poll.

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Twenty-seven percent of those surveyed said the debate had prompted them to see Romney in a more positive light, while 19 percent said it caused them to view him more negatively and 40 percent said it did not change their opinion.

Obama did not appear to suffer any damage. Fifty-four percent said the debate did not change their opinion of the president, while 16 percent said their opinion had improved and 18 percent said they viewed him more negatively.

Obama's favorability ratings remained unchanged, as 56 percent said they viewed him favorably and 44 percent said they viewed him unfavorably. His standing improved among independents by 8 percentage points.

Romney appears to have made his greatest strides among his fellow Republicans - a development that could help his fundraising and get-out-the vote efforts in the final weeks of the campaign.

Forty-six percent of Republicans said their opinion of Romney was "very favorable" after the debate, a gain of 10 percentage points.
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I have relied upon PBS to tell the truth. If it is gone with a Romney win, it will be because Fox News does not want to allow one small amout of truth to be aired on television. That is my opinion.

I am so sorrry for this country. I am sorry that I have no power other than my vote. I am sorry that so many people do not value their freedom more. I am sorry that intelligent people would rather give up their freedoms than their arguments. I am sorry that people decided not to think and to have the news people tell them what they should think.

Plug my phone in and let it tell me what I need to know..........I do not need to think, have an idea, create anything, I am free to vegetate...someone wake me when the world ends.

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That does seem to be the view of a lot of Americans, doesn't it.
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I don't care what the news media says. I know Mitt Romney is a disaster in action.
Anyone who would get rid of Big Bird is despicable.
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Shelagh wrote:
According to the BBC, round one goes to Mitt Romney.

CNN and MSNBC agree--I don't because of his lying and bullying.

Betty is right in my sight. I gave $25.00 to Obama as a protest.
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I also think that Romney's reference to PBS was insensitive considering who the moderator was and even the reference to the Muppets - beloved by generations of children, many of whom are now voting adults.
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It's further evidence that he is insensitive to the common man, woman or child and their needs for dignity.
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10/4/2012

All media I have read not Fox Romney came out on top,

Mr. Obama was lost and acted like he didn't want to be

there, the American Public will have the final say on

Nov. 6th, it may be a very long night or a very short

one, only God knows the future....

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