OUR CHANGING EARTH - (THE STORMS AND THE QUAKES, con’t)

OUR CHANGING EARTH - (THE STORMS AND THE QUAKES, con’t)

The earlier suggestion was that the moon, in a gravitational orbital tether with the earth, tugs at earth's respective fibers: the oceans, the atmosphere, and the electrical processes within, and helps drive the weather system. But the task is too great for the moon alone.

There are electrical processes within the earth that provide the ultimate power. So here we are opening a challenge to conventional thought - and stating outright that earth’s processes are electrical not thermal. Dust devils, ice storms, hurricanes and tornadoes, earthquake, tsunami, and volcano - all driven electrically.

We could ask :: where would thermal (heat processes) get the power to drive storms? But we don’t have to ask that question with electrical processes - we can just be thankful that they are no worse than they are.
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I don't know if there have been more natural disasters of late or whether the readily available news reports make it seem that way.

dkchristi --- I don't know if there have been more natural disasters of late or whether the readily available news reports make it seem that way.

For certain things are changing. Whether there are more quakes and more violent storms is in question. By Example, here in mid-Florida we’ve not seen a hurricane in years. However, in past years we’ve had dozens of butterflies in the garden, and moths around the outside light at night and toads and frogs were abundant.

This year there are no butterflies, no moths, no toads and no frogs. And on checking - it is true all around the county, and birds dying is wide spread.

I think it’s insufficient to blame these changes on greenhouse gasses because the coincidence of the gasses does not coincide with the weather or the fauna phenomenon.

However, the moon is forever tugging on the fibers of the earth, the waters, and the atmosphere. Like a bucket being twirled around at the end of a rope - all fibers are under stress. This must have an influence and the greater the stress the more likely that we have these phenomenon
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What are we to do?

Alice What are we to do?


James) There’s nothing we can do. The Apollo 11, 14 & 15 astronauts put laser reflectors on the moon and NASA is using them to monitor the moon as it moves away following earthquake. So they are not ignoring it.

The weather & fauna and flora changes IMO are caused by changes in electrical concentrations in the upper earth. So there’s nothing we can do about that. We just live with the changes.

There is one thing that can be done though.

Plate tectonics is pure nonsense. It was contrived to provide the theory of evolution a geological base that could be expressed in hundreds of millions of years. This provided a pseudo-scientific base to provide the time for the mechanism of natural selection to take place.

It also allowed the theory of evolution to work it’s way into public schools

Both theories (the theory of evolution and plate tectonics) are say-so concepts. Neither can be proven and there is no lab work that can be performed that will demonstrate their value.

So what to do? Read about the 1925 Scopes trial and the following conflict between evolutionists and creationists. Read how the courts rejected evolution because of a lack of scientific base - then follow the National Science Foundation funded program titled, "Biological Sciences Curriculum Study"

Plate tectonics grew out of this program:: "Biological Sciences Curriculum Study"

Once you're satisfied -- insist that our schools review their curriculum
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References please! Thanks.

Alice References please! Thanks.

1.) Evolution vs science

This is a good place to start. The complete story is very complex and requires study on the part of the individual-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_and_evolution_in_public_education

2.) Apollo 11, 14 & 15 astronauts and laser reflectors

I am a creationist and don't see where the tectonic plates have anything to do with evolution.

Could you pinpoint the reference please?
I think the earth was created and things evolve.

Tectonic plates have to do with geology, creation and evolution are biological issues.

Alice - Do you remember school? You were required to read the book, you were required to study the assignment.

I answered your question above - you just refuse to read what is offered

I read it. It is lengthy and tedious.
I no longer care.

This is not a geology class or is it?

Alice —

In school and for specialists, biology, geology, mechanics etc., are studied individually in a comprehensive manner

But it is our job as adults and educators to integrate all these disciplines into one design. How else are we to understand the complexities of Nature?

Near and far sightedness are infants compared to those who refuse to see at all!
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No one cares. So why should l?
You don't care enough to even try to explain yourself.
One final observation:
At one point you claimed to be a teacher.
How many students dropped or plain flunked your classes?
Many probably died from flat out boredom.

Alice No one cares. So why should l? You don't care enough to even try to explain yourself.

As I "explained earlier" - that you apparently chose to ignore -----

There’s nothing we can do. The Apollo 11, 14 & 15 astronauts put laser reflectors on the moon and NASA is using them to monitor the moon as it moves away following earthquake. So they are not ignoring it.

The weather & fauna and flora changes IMO are caused by changes in electrical concentrations in the upper earth. So there’s nothing we can do about that. We just live with the changes.

There is one thing that can be done though.

Plate tectonics is pure nonsense. It was contrived to provide the theory of evolution a geological base that could be expressed in hundreds of millions of years. This provided a pseudo-scientific base to provide the time for the mechanism of natural selection to take place.

It also allowed the theory of evolution to work it’s way into public schools

Both theories (the theory of evolution and plate tectonics) are say-so concepts. Neither can be proven and there is no lab work that can be performed that will demonstrate their value.

So what to do? Read about the 1925 Scopes trial and the following conflict between evolutionists and creationists. Read how the courts rejected evolution because of a lack of scientific base - then follow the National Science Foundation funded program titled, "Biological Sciences Curriculum Study"

Plate tectonics grew out of this program:: "Biological Sciences Curriculum Study"

Once you're satisfied -- insist that our schools review their curriculum

Prepare yourself for questions when you broach a new idea.

If someone should show sufficient interest to venture a query, answer it.

Good luck!

When I answer it -- it is expected that you read it when you bother to ask - it is taken that you have an interest

And since you are less than kind - I will hence forth ...... (for you to fill in the blank)

Soooo, what are public schools supposed to be teaching the kids?

There are groups that don't want religion in public schools. No prayer, and certainly no teaching of creation.

James wrote:

... It also allowed the theory of evolution to work it’s way into public schools

Both theories (the theory of evolution and plate tectonics) are say-so concepts. Neither can be proven and there is no lab work that can be performed that will demonstrate their value. ...

This sounds like some may be objecting to the teaching of evolution.

There are many who are quite convinced that evolution is how life began.
Others believe in creation.
While yet others believe in a blend of both.

Maybe neither are right. Maybe our origins are with the goddess and cosmic mother.

Maybe the book we should be reading is: "Is Mother Nature Mad?: How to Work with Nature Spirits to Mitigate Natural Disasters"

Teaching and exposing students to information is often in conflict, especially with therotical subjects. We're not talking math here.
If everything had an answer, there would be nothing left to learn. There is so much we don't know. An inquiring mind should not be stymied.
To explore the wonders of the universe, we need to reject unvalidated notions. To go where no man has gone before should not be restricted to space exploration, but with free thinking.

Abe F. March wrote:

Teaching and exposing students to information is often in conflict, especially with therotical subjects. We're not talking math here.
If everything had an answer, there would be nothing left to learn. There is so much we don't know. An inquiring mind should not be stymied.
To explore the wonders of the universe, we need to reject unvalidated notions. To go where no man has gone before should not be restricted to space exploration, but with free thinking.

Every individual perspective adds to the whole.

Ann

JoElle Soooo, what are public schools supposed to be teaching the kids?

James) It is becoming apparent among law-makers that the theory of evolution (and the theory of plate tectonics that provides the concept of long term geologic change in support of natural selection) do not have scientific backing (see two examples below).

Both (evolution and tectonics) are contrived and are impossible to demonstrate either in a lab or in the field. Those in school are required to accept both on faith - that does not make for good class room instruction.

What should we be teaching the kids?

Eventually the RB-Effect (earth processes are derived from solar gravitational forces) will reach the schools. In the mean time both (evolution and tectonics) should be taught as fledgling (un-proven) concepts

Aug. 11 1999 Kansas Rejects Evolution

The Kansas State Board of Education voted, to eliminate all references to evolution—as well as to the Big Bang theory, the age of Earth or biological macro-evolution—from the state’s science curriculum. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/417996.stm

Feb 2008

Florida's state Board of Education decided yesterday on a compromise solution to the tumultuous question of how, or whether, to teach evolution in classrooms. Whereas the word was once an unmentionable in the Sunshine State—though teaching biological "changes" was sanctioned
http://www.usnews.com/news/national/articles/2008/02/20/teaching-evolution-in-florida

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Abe F. March wrote:

... An inquiring mind should not be stymied ... To go where no man has gone before should not be restricted to space exploration, but with free thinking.

Exactly.

Children naturally have inquisitive minds.
They should be allowed to explore, to question, and to challenge.

And people should be allowed to choose what they wish to believe and accept as their reality.

If they believe man arrived by evolution,then that is their reality. Why not allow him to believe it?
If they believe man arrived by creation, that is a choice that is just as valid.

In fact, if I wish to believe the sun rises is the west and comes out at night ... if that is my reality, then allow me to believe it.

Public schools and what they teach are better than no schooling.
But thankfully, I had the opportunity to homeschool my son.

Strange situation here. Why do origins have to be taught in school?

We know we are here. How we think we got here has a lot to do wtih our religious beliefs.

Maybe we don't need to teach origins in Public Schools--or we could present them all as possibilities.

JoElle In fact, if I wish to believe the sun rises is the west and comes out at night ... if that is my reality, then allow me to believe it.

James) Easy to say but it doesn't work for mariners at sea, or for those that seek or provide a livelihood.

tectonics was contrived as the (long term geological) companion for (the long term biological) needs of evolution. Both must be accepted on faith as neither can be demonstrated.

There is a "splash effect" brought about when faith intrudes other classes.

James wrote:

JoElle In fact, if I wish to believe the sun rises is the west and comes out at night ... if that is my reality, then allow me to believe it.

James) Easy to say but it doesn't work for mariners at sea, or for those that seek or provide a livelihood.

tectonics was contrived as the (long term geological) companion for (the long term biological) needs of evolution. Both must be accepted on faith as neither can be demonstrated.

There is a "splash effect" brought about when faith intrudes other classes.

Reference please--pinpointed please. Thank you.
I will not delete this post. You began this thread. Please answer in a timely manner.

Thank you.

Since James does not wish to answer, I will be more than glad to carry on without him.
Does anyone understand what he is trying to accomplish here?
I do not.

To begin a thread then abandon it for another, then to abandon that after JoElle
tried to help begin a discussion seems ridiculous.

I can deduce he wants only full agreement with his ideas and that is it.

An astute deduction.
Once again, Alice, when you are right.....

Ann