tsunami & if earthquake is electrical ----

If earthquake is electrical as I have suggested (see my book The Gods ..) - and given the following experience from WW-II - what might a person think of the origin of tsunami?


quote "During World War II, the German Navy sought to garage some U-boats along a stretch of French coastline. But first it had to drain small portions of the wetlands long enough to sink the concrete footings needed to support the submarine pens.

According to intelligence reports acquired later by the U.S. Navy, the Germans did this by sinking metal rods into the soil and applying small electric currents to them. The currents effectively drove water out of the area where footings were to be laid,

NOTE THE DATE September 9, 1995
　
SOURCE Janet Raloff, "Managing water pollutants in soil with electric currents." Science News, Vol. 148, September 9, 1995, Pg. 168
http://www.sciencenewsmagazine.org/pages/pdfs/data/1995/148-11/14811-12.pdf
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Idea

Could you please add the name of your book to your footnote so we could reference it? Thanks!

Types of earthquakes
There are many different types of earthquakes: tectonic, volcanic, and explosion. The type of earthquake depends on the region where it occurs and the geological make-up of that region. The most common are tectonic earthquakes. These occur when rocks in the earth's crust break due to geological forces created by movement of tectonic plates. Another type,volcanic earthquakes, occur in conjunction with volcanic activity. Collapse earthquakes are small earthquakes in underground caverns and mines, and explosion earthquakes result from the explosion of nuclear and chemical devices. We can measure motion from large tectonic earthquakes using GPS because rocks on either side of a fault are offset during this type of earthquake.


Here are the types of earthquakes NASA recognizes. I don't see electrical here.

That sounds a lot better than my theory: "Elves".

alice wrote:

Idea

Could you please add the name of your book to your footnote so we could reference it? Thanks!

Or put the full name of your book in your post. Is it published yet?

James,

It seems rather clear you do not wish to address my ccmments.

I will leave your thread for you and whoever else wishes to be here.

Best,

Alice

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Doesn’t it seem strange that as far back as WW-II the German navy was applying small electric currents to metal rods in the soil and the currents effectively drove water out of the area (and an article appeared in 1995) and still no one seems to know anything about it?


If earthquake is electrical and if the strike passes through the sea - wouldn’t we expect something like a tsunami to happen (knowing now that electricity moves water)?

Is earthquake electrical?

Tell ya what - pick up a 1/4 or 1/2 inch electrical drill (the kind that most households have). Now plug it in and turn it on - and feel that slight twisting (or torque) that it imparts to your hand on start-up.

Now if earthquake is electrical - what would you expect would happen to the earth’s rate of rotation when the in-ground lightning (earthquake?) strikes?

If you said the earth’s rate of rotation would change - than good for you!
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I've heard this theory before. I am extremely skeptical about it. I'd like to see some proof, rather than hypothetical. I'm not saying it's bunk, but to paraphrase Carl Sagan, let's some extraordinary proof.

zizban

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I've heard this theory before. I am extremely skeptical about it. I'd like to see some proof, rather than hypothetical. I'm not saying it's bunk, but to paraphrase Carl Sagan, let's some extraordinary proof.

You could have seen NASA's report - but I don't like the way some phrase their posts. So give what I gave you some study.

Or you can believe brittle fracture in a compressed earth - if you wish

alice wrote:

Types of earthquakes
There are many different types of earthquakes: tectonic, volcanic, and explosion. The type of earthquake depends on the region where it occurs and the geological make-up of that region. The most common are tectonic earthquakes. These occur when rocks in the earth's crust break due to geological forces created by movement of tectonic plates. Another type,volcanic earthquakes, occur in conjunction with volcanic activity. Collapse earthquakes are small earthquakes in underground caverns and mines, and explosion earthquakes result from the explosion of nuclear and chemical devices. We can measure motion from large tectonic earthquakes using GPS because rocks on either side of a fault are offset during this type of earthquake.

Here are the types of earthquakes NASA recognizes. I don't see electrical here.

Alice, you can read about the NASA research into electrical radiation and earthquakes here:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/11aug_earthquakes/

The suggestion is that the enormous stresses on the underlying rock cause the release of electrical charges (electricity is a result, not a cause). The resultant electricity causes the release of infrared radiation. The theory: rocks under pressure act like semi-conductors and produce an electrical charge that emits infrared radiation.

"Ordinary rocks are insulators. Rocks placed under great stress, however, sometimes act like semiconductors. Freund believes that, before a quake, pairs of positive charges called 'defect electrons' or 'positive holes' split up and migrate to the surface of stressed rocks. There they recombine with each other and, in the process, release infrared radiation. This explanation has some support from experiments, but it's still a young theory that hasn't gained widespread acceptance among scientists, he notes."

The research is ongoing.

So, it sounds like we might be able, one day, to use the presence of electrical energy to help predict an earthquake, which is probably caused by intense physical pressure, and which may result in increased electrical activity?

Ann

That's what the scientists are trying to find out -- if you can trust them.

Personally, I'm into Richard's koi theory:

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PS: We had two really big aftershocks
last night... those are hanging around. I am looking forward to the
earthquakes becoming "normal" again. Quakes that occur once or twice a
month and are around 4 or 5 on the reichter are welcome around here.
People have a story that these quakes are the result of a giant "koi" (a
goldfish), below the island that suddenly moves and makes the island
shake.

(See my postings of Richard's experiences living in Japan on the Current Events page)

Ann

alj

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So, it sounds like we might be able, one day, to use the presence of electrical energy to help predict an earthquake, which is probably caused by intense physical pressure, and which may result in increased electrical activity?

James) If that is an accurate quote - then it is in error!

The flow of electricity within the earth is caused by stress reversals - not high pressures. You get a one time spark from kitchen type charcoal lighters. That (like within the earth) is what we call piezoelectric.

To get a steady flow there must be constant stress reversals. I laid the physics for this out in my book - it is called the RB-Effect, and relates to solar orbital forces.
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James wrote:

alj

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So, it sounds like we might be able, one day, to use the presence of electrical energy to help predict an earthquake, which is probably caused by intense physical pressure, and which may result in increased electrical activity?

James) If that is an accurate quote - then it is in error!

The flow of electricity within the earth is caused by stress reversals - not high pressures. You get a one time spark from kitchen type charcoal lighters. That (like within the earth) is what we call piezoelectric.

To get a steady flow there must be constant stress reversals. I laid the physics for this out in my book - it is called the RB-Effect, and relates to solar orbital forces.
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From the NASA article referenced by Shelagh:

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When red granite is subjected to extreme crushing
pressures in the laboratory, as in this experiment conducted
by Freund and colleagues, its surface emits infrared radiation.

What causes rocks under pressure to emit infrared radiation?
No one is certain. The frequency spectrum of the emissions shows
that internal heat from friction--e.g., rocks rubbing
together--is not responsible for the radiation.

The cause of these signals is unknown. In addition to Freund's
idea, theories include the movement of deep, ion-conducting groundwater
into cracks opened up by the crushing of rocks, electromagnetic
energy released by electrons that are sheered from crystalline
rocks such as granite, and apiezo-magnetic effect triggered
by pressure applied to certain kinds of rocks.

Ann

Interesting. Wonder if they will notify people living in LA when they can expect to be marooned on an island? And I hear that California is considering building more nuclear facilities. Do they take insanity pills or does it come natural to politicians who support big business?

Shelagh wrote:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/11aug_earthquakes/

If anyone disagrees with statements made in the above page, take it up with NASA. They are the ones reporting the ongoing research.

Abe F. March wrote:

Interesting. Wonder if they will notify people living in LA when they can expect to be marooned on an island? And I hear that California is considering building more nuclear facilities. Do they take insanity pills or does it come natural to politicians who support big business?

I would like to be able to take credit for this statement, but it came from an associate on the JCF board, on a thread called "Technology and Nature"

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No wonder the Mayans abandoned their cities...they came to their senses

Ann

Do you suppose that the first person to say, "Hey, look. We have more bearskins than we need and your have more dried corn than you need, so how about we swap?," would have suggested that if he could have seen into the future?

Especially since, at that time, bears and grains were probably considered sacred objects?

Ann

Fast forward 50,000 years and what do you find? The Corn Laws.

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/cornlaws1.html

stress reversals

Anything else is in error

Some books are full of them. Errors, that is.

Shelagh you might want to study this - some mighty good people worked on it with me - people that have far more education than yourself

If you have a question ask - but please don't think you are better than they are!

http://www.publishedauthors.org/t6587-the-rb-effect-the-answer-to-earthquake