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Domenic Pappalardo
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PostSubject: The damn jar   Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:26 am

The news is full of two words, “Excessive Force.” If the force is excessive, what is normal force? I watched the video of an officer throwing a female student to the floor. It is being called, “Excessive Force.”



The student was disrupting the class, and the teacher told the student to leave the room. No force was applied by the teacher. The student remained in the class, and continued to disrupt. A second adult came into the room (male) and told the student to leave the room. The student refused, and continued to disrupt the class. A school police officer came into the room, told the student to leave the class. Again the student refused. The officer told the student to stand up. Student refused. It became clear some force was going to be needed. Reporters who wrote the story were not in the classroom. The story turned into, “Police officer throws CHILD across classroom.” The child was a 5’9” female.



What type of force could be used to remove this very near adult female? The officer tried to lift her from the chair, the female held onto the chair. The amount of force the officer was using was insufficient to remove the 5’9” almost adult female.



The class of student sat watching one of their members resist all authority. If no further force was applied, the whole class would have had a lesson…all adult authority (including the police) could be taken away. The students would be free to resist all authority.



People are resisting authority from New York to San Francisco, and if order is forced on them, it is called “Excessive Force.”



The end result in all cases of this nature is…those who resist authority are hailed as the victim (good guy) and those enforcing authority (parents, teacher, and police) are the bad guys.



If you are trying to open a jar, and the lid won’t move, we use more force. If it still will not open, we apply more force…we keep applying more, and more force until the damn thing yields to our force. I guess you could (if you were the jar) call that, “Excessive Force.”



What would the outcome have been if the officer did not apply more force, and just walked away? Seems like the students would be running the school anyway they wanted to. The young people who were there to learn would just have to put learning aside…what the heck, why even go to school?







Here is my take on it…“Without the force needed to open the damn jar, we will all starve to death.
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PostSubject: Re: The damn jar   Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: The damn jar   Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:31 pm

He could have sprayed her with tranquilizer spray.
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PostSubject: Re: The damn jar   Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:03 pm

I think she must have been mentally ill or something.  No use to be abusive with her.
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PostSubject: Re: The damn jar   Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:12 am

When children were taught to obey their elders and especially those in authority, incidents like this didn't occur.  If an adult gives instruction to a child, they should obey.  When they refuse to obey, force may become necessary.  If juveniles are allowed to get away with defiance of authority, it sends the wrong message.  Discipline begins in the home. 
Teachers are having huge problems with discipline in school.  Students disrupting the class is unfair to the students that want to learn.  When teachers lost their right to discipline student is when the problems began. 
If you talk to teachers, their biggest complaint is with discipline.  More attention to this problem is required. 
It is easy to second-guess the actions of those in authority without knowing all the facts.  We witness reaction and not cause.
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PostSubject: Re: The damn jar   Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:23 pm

ABUSE IS NEVER NECESSARY!  The cop appeared to have lost his temper. 
Possibly breaking her neck or giving her a head injury was unnecessary.
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