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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 2:55 am | |
| Monica Lewinsky is back in the news trying to salvage her reputation and life. Perhaps she will get into politics and be someone’s running mate. I think many have opinions about the affair that took place in the White House. Who seduced who is still subject to debate. From a Man’s perspective, I believe it was Monica that seduced the President. Having been in a position of power, whether that is as a Manager or the President of a company, women tend to flirt with the boss. Some act as temptress and offer their favors for personal gain. It is not easy to resist temptation. It is even harder when husband and wife are not on the best of terms. How far the affair goes no one knows. Even being seen together with an employee over dinner can cause tongues to waggle. First Clinton denied have sex with “That Woman”. Later he said that his relationship with Miss Lewinsky was “inappropriate”. I’m sure a woman’s perspective will counter what I just wrote. Sometimes one’s perspective depends on personal experience. I was once in a situation with an employee, completely innocent, however the situation and inference led to problems. Fortunately my wife supported me and that helped bring the incident to an end. Hindsight told me that my activity was “inappropriate”. |
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Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 3:13 am | |
| It takes two to tango, Abe. Monica flirted, the President used his powerful position. They deserved one another. |
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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 4:22 am | |
| Just when I thought we were on the road to disagreement. Common sense makes me to agree on this. |
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 5:26 am | |
| Her actions ruined her life. She is unemployable for good reason |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 5:31 am | |
| I was a political intern in Washington D.C. I remember the aura of power. It is a powerful druug both. Ways. It is the responsibility of a servant of the people to protect citizens in that environment and use their brain to fight impulse behavior.
A woman is designed to tease. Youth and beauty are a tease. Fashion is a tease. A smile is a tease. That is why we also have a brain and a moral compass. There is no excuse for behavior that is not appropriate for servants of the people. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 7:48 am | |
| 5/7/2014 Now I know why Pres. Clinton admired Pres. John Kennedy. John Kennedy was a well known womanizer but his guard dogs at the time kept it underwarps, if you were news media you knew what was good for you if you even dared hint at it. It was well kown by the press and a few people that Marilyn Monroe was having an afair with him for two years, as she once told a friend, Kennedy motto was: " Slam-Bang-Thank You Mam." And you know what happen to Marilyn. I'm against powerful people like politicians who think they can get away with murder. What do you think would have happened in 1962 to Kennedy if it came out about his affair ? His career would have been over in a heart beat because at that time the American public didn't tolerate it, they had morals then, today the public doesn't give a dam what a politician does, a public figure has to be on the straight and narrow not have the attitude I can do anything I want, I'm so and so...... Cheers.... Joe.. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 9:48 am | |
| The problem is that it takes a particular ego type today to seek office. The most capable people won't put up with the invasion |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 9:49 am | |
| As I've said before, I'm one of those who believes that the ability to lead well does not necessarily involve morality, that, in fact, being moral can sometimes be a hindrance when hard decisions have to be made.
I remember, and have mentioned this here before, too, at least once, a segment from the original Star Trek series, where Captain Kirk, during a transporter malfunction, was turned into two separate people - one totally evil; the other totally good. The totally good Kirk was not able to lead effectively because he could not make decisions. The transporter had to be repaired and the two Kirks rejoined to save the ship and crew.
We are, all of us, blends of positive and negative qualities, and the trick is to keep them in balance rather than to try to eliminate one or the other. It's like the yin/yang thing. We need both, and one contains the seed of the other. It's like in quantum physics, where stuff is not either matter or energy, but both, with the potential to behave as either.
As far as the Lewinsky thing is concerned, I don't think either party can claim innocence. Ms. Lewinsky was not a victim, nor was she the seducer. It was a mutual consent activity, and a foolish choice for both of them.
On the other hand, it seems, still, to be a habit for some men to deny responsibility by claiming seduction, putting the heavier responsibility on the woman, as though that particular organ had a God-given right to do as it pleased, regardless of the consequences.
Today, one of the problems faced by Congress and the courts has to do with sexual harassment in the military, which is still too often overlooked and swept under the rug, with the excuse boiling down to some version of, "she asked for it."
One of those complementarities that is still out of balance is the masculine/feminine pole.
To my mind, it is the most important one to put into alignment, because so many of the others, including the power grab and greed of the corporations, including the energy corporations, are intent on forcing themselves and their agendas onto the rest of us, no matter the cost. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:00 am | |
| I prefer leaders with a moral compass. The problem is defining that compass. Too often like the Captain Kirk example, powerful people also feel entitled to their own definitions of morality.
We recently had a congressman from our area who preached about morality and was right down the line on the religious right doctrine, judgmental against those who were not on board.
His career ended when he bought cocaine in Washington, D.C. and his secret addictions to alcohol and cocaine were revealed that had been well hid by those wanting him in office.
A person under the influence of addictions will not make wise decisions but will be influenced by the pull of those addictions. Sexual conduct may also be an addiction. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:30 am | |
| Actually, you've kind of made my point, which was about keeping both in balance. Addictions are not about balance.
People who are intent on being good are often like your moral congressman, whose shadow side popped out to bite him. It's a common occurrence in televangelists. Deny the dark side and it will make itself heard and seen.
Agression is generally considered a negative quality, yet if we do not have access to it, we can get overrun by those who practice it, because we think that it is not nice.
That can be especially true for women, who often do not have permission to be assertive, and might be afraid of appearing unfeminine.
When we recognize and accept the validity of our shadow qualities, we are better able to control them, and use them when appropriate, rather than having them become addictions that we cannot control. |
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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:38 am | |
| Old joke:
God gave man a brain and a penis and only enough blood to operate one of them at a time. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:44 am | |
| - Al Stevens wrote:
- Old joke:
God gave man a brain and a penis and only enough blood to operate one of them at a time. So, does this qualify as a legitimate excuse?? |
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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:44 am | |
| I worked at CIA during the JFK administration and knew many White House employees. His dalliances with movie stars were well-known. But the press overlooked them. The age of the so-called "investigative journalist" had not been born. Mainstream reporters saw it as their duty to report the news, not make it, and they concentrated on real issues and left the smut-slinging to the Inquirer. |
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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:45 am | |
| - alj wrote:
- Al Stevens wrote:
- Old joke:
God gave man a brain and a penis and only enough blood to operate one of them at a time. So, does this qualify as a legitimate excuse?? It's a legitimate explanation. |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 11:47 am | |
| Yeah, right. |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 12:23 pm | |
| I agree about news. I'm truly sick of Hollywood gossip and television shows as part of the news. It's because everything is owned by a few corporations who then use their media to sell their wares wherever they are.
I write for Examiner.com It's interesting that at least they define news that is newsworthy as a separate category of reporting. I respect them for that. It has rules that differ from the other stuff. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 2:45 pm | |
| 5/7/2014
It's time politicians (Men,) learn to keep their zippers up ! And have better morals, I will not vote or endorse a creep who calls himself a politician.. Male politicians should learn their brain power should go to their head not their pants..
Cheers.. Joe |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 3:01 pm | |
| Again, the quality of people that enter a political career are not the quality that was originally envisioned. The framers of the constitution thought those who could vote at the time would run for office for a temporary period of time and then return to their businesses as shopkeepers, lawyers, accountants, etc. Much has changed of course since the suffrage is universal and women are now included. However, a lifetime career in Congress was not the vision. Those who run are looking for that and the perks it brings, not a temporary opportunity to represent the people who vote for them. They do not represent the voters. They represent the money people who pay for their campaigns. Thus, they are the type of folks that the money people pay for. That leaves a big hole in the "integrity" area. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 3:53 pm | |
| 5/7/2014 DK.. You hit the nail on the head, that's exactly what the for-fathers wanted but instead we have a bunch of greedy bastards. What ever happened to " We The people, For The people and By the people." ? Cheers..Joe... |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 6:13 pm | |
| Joe, we the people voted the schmucks in and don't vote them out. We still have power at the ballot box if we used it, but we don't. We vote Republican or Democrat or Independent. We don't look at the credentials, only at what the paid ads say over and over until it is creased in our brain and then we vote, like a bunch of lemmings, we vote for whoever the propaganda programed us for. |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Wed May 07, 2014 9:26 pm | |
| 5/8/2014 I read once someone came up with a great idea, all politicians have to take a test on the Consitution , if they get 100% then they get the job, I heard the other day Congress last year gave itself a huge raise added to other bills of course...They are smucks but the American public are the bigger smucks for voting for them..... I say we should have Great Britan Rule here again, they can do better, I have to write a letter to King William ...Oppps I mean Queen Elizabeth. Cheers..Joe Hail Britannia... |
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Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Thu May 08, 2014 6:11 am | |
| The beauty of being a citizen of the u.s. is so many choices and opportunities if only we have the keys to open them.we also have the tools to make things better for the mid and low economic levels if we work with that idea in mind. We can look to other nations for ideas but we are unique . |
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joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: Monica Lewinsky in the news Thu May 08, 2014 7:34 am | |
| 5/8/2014 What I love about great Britan is their grace, loyalty to their Queen Elizabeth and Parliament, I've watched how it works on TV, wouldn't it be great to see Congress work that way? I hope Prince William will be King in the future along with Kate who I think is very elegant and their gorgeous baby George. Cheers..Joe .. |
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