Definition of Holocaust?

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12/28/2011


Alice...


The mass slaughter of Christians, Jews, Mentally Ill,
Gay, anyone who wasn't part of Hitler's plan also if you
weren't Arian in other words blond and light eyes, Oh yes
Gypsies...A horrible time in history, my Mother had a cousin
in the American Army who was put in a concentration camp
she said when he came home he was as wide as a broom
stick... And even today dictators are committing genocide
against their own people like North Korea, etc., the world
watches and doesn't do anything ?


Cheers..Joe...

hol·o·caust/ˈhäləˌkôst/
Noun:
Destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, esp. caused by fire or nuclear war: "a nuclear holocaust".
(Google search for definition)

The Holocaust - The documented mass murder of millions of Jews, gypsies, and other "dissidents" of the Nazi regime in Germany during the late 1930's and early 1940's, until the end of WWII.

Ann

for a comprehensive and accurate fictional picture, try reading Herman Wouk's Winds of War and War and Remembrance.

Ann

Thank you, Joe and Ann.

It seems to be a term associated with Hitler's "total solution of having a Jew free Europe."

It was not at all a commendable action.

Alice,
check out the following for a definition of world holocaust.
http://www.articlesbase.com/history-articles/world-holocausts-4045986.html

"The Holocaust, with a capital "H,"" has generally referred to the events during WWII by the Nazi Regime. There have been many instances, throughout history, of genocide, which is the attempt to kill off an entire group of people. There were examples of genocide right here in the US, during the westward expansion, as some people, especially in the military, committed atrocities against the native tribes who were already living in the places that were claimed by the government as Manifest Destiny.

The world "holocaust," lower case "h'," simply means "massive destruction," and is not limited to the destruction of people, whether they are members of a specific group or not.

Genocide by any name is evil, and ought to be exposed, not covered up or denied.

Ann

Well said, Ann. Domenic wanted to discuss this, as evidenced by his eight posts showing Abe's request for a separate thead beginning with a defintion.

Abe, Why do we need a defintion? It looks to me like we have a good grasp of it.

It is true that we eliminated and treated most unfairly the American Indians`and have no excuse, but at least we have tried to make ammends for that dastardly action and do not try to minimize it.

Hitler would have been unable to accomplish his actions were it not for very willing helpers. He was insane--what was their reason?

Alice, my point was that there was not just "one" holocaust that applied to Jews. And you are right that any slaugher, massacre or genocide is evil. When any one or any people wish the destruction of another it is evil. History records such things as the religious crusades. Even today, there is hate-talk about people whose religion is different. The past cannot be undone. We can only control our actions today and the future, if it is in our power to do so. Religion has killed many. Land grabbing continues to kill many. Nuclear weapons are a threat in power-grabbing. I don't think we've seen the end of atrocities. I hope I'm wrong.

Abe F. March wrote:

I don't think we've seen the end of atrocities. I hope I'm wrong.

I hope so, too. And I believe that we have the collective power to see to it.
We all need to consciously intend for it to happen.

Ann

I take part in this thread as a discussion…not as an argument.I am neither pro-nor-anti Jewish.


As to the holocaust, someone told a big lie, with a capital L.
I am very pro truth.

Here are the names of the twelve tribes. Please note, there is only one tribe with the name Judah. The word Jew means one is from the tribe of ,Judah. The rest are not known a Jews. They are called Israelis.
Jews served in the German army during WW2. The Israelis were in the slave labor camps.

The Tribes:
Benjamin, Ephraim, Manasseh, Naptali, Dan, Asher, Issachar, Judah, Zebulon, Simeon, Reuben, and Gad.

Zundelsite - Different Views on the Holocaust
Even famed "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German ... death camps ." For example, the ... Camps. Jews were an ...
www.zundelsite.org/english/basic_​articles/diff_views.html - Cached

Domenic,

Jesus was a Jew.

alice wrote:

Domenic,

Jesus was a Jew.

No, he was not from the tribe of Judah. Jesus came threough the seed of David. Thus, he could not have been a Jew.

His mother, Mary was from the tribe of Levi. Joseph was from the tribe of Judah...but than, Joseph was not the father of Jesus.

Davidic Line

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidic_line

Quote :

The Davidic line (also referred to as the House of David) (known in Hebrew as Malkhut Beit David (מלכות בית דוד) — "Royal House of David") refers to the tracing of lineage to the King David referred to in the Hebrew Bible, as well as the New Testament.

Kings of Judah
Saul • David • Solomon • Rehoboam • Abijah • Asa • Jehoshaphat • Jehoram • Ahaziah • Athaliah • J(eh)oash • Amaziah • Uzziah/Azariah • Jotham • Ahaz • Hezekiah • Manasseh • Amon • Josiah • Jehoahaz • Jehoiakim • Jeconiah/Jehoiachin • Zedekiah

Initially, David was king over the Tribe of Judah only and ruled from Hebron, but after seven years the other Israelite tribes chose him to be their king as well:
Then came all the tribes of Israel to David to Hebron, and spoke, saying: 'Behold, we are your bone and your flesh. In times past, when Saul was king over us, it was you that did lead out and bring in Israel; and the Lord said to you: You shalt feed my people Israel, and you shall be prince over Israel.' So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a covenant with them in Hebron before the Lord; and they anointed David king over Israel… (2 Samuel 5:1-3).

All subsequent kings in both the ancient first united Kingdom of Israel and the later Kingdom of Judah claimed direct descent from King David to validate their claim to the throne in order to rule over the Israelite tribes.

After the death of King Solomon son of David, the ten northern tribes of the Kingdom of Israel rejected the Davidic line, refusing to accept Rehoboam son of Solomon, and instead chose as king Jeroboam and formed the northern Kingdom of Israel. This kingdom was eventually conquered by Assyria who exiled them, to disappear from history as The Ten Lost Tribes.

The Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and Pauline epistles refer to Jesus of Nazareth as a descendant of David. The Gospels give two separate genealogies for Jesus.[4] Christian faith regards Jesus as having been born of a virgin, Mary, and consequently as not having natural human father. Nevertheless, he is considered to be a prince of Judah, as though Mary's husband Joseph were in fact his father.

Domenic,

What are you calling a lie? That people were killed, the nationality of the vicitms or what? I don't understand what you are refuting.

Explain please, Thanks.

Domenic Pappalardo wrote:

I take part in this thread as a discussion…not as an argument.I am neither pro-nor-anti Jewish.


As to the holocaust, someone told a big lie, with a capital L.
I am very pro truth.

Here are the names of the twelve tribes. Please note, there is only one tribe with the name Judah. The word Jew means one is from the tribe of ,Judah. The rest are not known a Jews. They are called Israelis.
Jews served in the German army during WW2. The Israelis were in the slave labor camps.

The Tribes:
Benjamin, Ephraim, Manasseh, Naptali, Dan, Asher, Issachar, Judah, Zebulon, Simeon, Reuben, and Gad.

Zundelsite - Different Views on the Holocaust
Even famed "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German ... death camps ." For example, the ... Camps. Jews were an ...
www.zundelsite.org/english/basic_​articles/diff_views.html - Cached

Perhaps you are not either pro- or anti-Jewish, but your source is clearly not neutral.



Ernst Zundel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

Quote :

In the late 1970s, reporter Mark Bonokoski unmasked Zündel and ended his career as a credible media spokesperson by revealing that using his Christof Freidrich pseudonym he was publishing neo-nazi and antisemitic pamphlets such as The Hitler We Loved and Why.[11]

And if you are neutral, why bring it up?

alj said: "And if you are neutral, why bring it up?"

Domenic said; I take part in this thread as a discussion…not as an argument.


Is the thread about the Holocaust, or Domenic?

I have found over my time on this forum alj, if I say white, you come back with black. If I say, black, you come back with white. I have never asked you to explain yourself. Why do you always ask it of me?

I did not start this thread. I commented. You do not have to agree with what those I posted said, nor do I have to explain my position.

This thread is not about me. If you want to make me the subject...please start a thread about Domenic.

I'm sure you can find many stones to throw.

Domenic,

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Shelagh wrote:

Domenic,

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

It seems all you people look for is an argument. I said I would not get into one.

Take me off as a member of this forum Shelagh.

How festive!


Domenic, Be reasonable, You posted 8 times a request for a thread about the Holocaust, I began one. You said you would not argue--then you stated there was a huge lie. I asked you what the lie was, you gave no answer.

Ann merely made a comment. Shelagh did also, so now you have to leave. My advice:

Do exactly as you wish, when you wish and where you wish.

Inasmuch as Domenic does not wish to discuss the Holocaust, I guess there is no need for this thread to continue.

I will say this about it. Whether the victims were Israelies or Jews or gay or nonAyran, they should not have been gassed or shot or mistreated in anyway.

... and that's the bottom line. Proving that one form of mistreatment did not take place does not justify all other forms of mistreatment. Keeping civilians in camps was just plain wrong.

Shelagh wrote:

... and that's the bottom line. Proving that one form of mistreatment did not take place does not justify all other forms of mistreatment. Keeping civilians in camps was just plain wrong.

Thank you! You are so right !!!!

The USA did that in World War II and it was nothing to be proud of.

I knew one of the Japanese gentlemen it happened to. He was imprisoned and then put in the army to fight on our side.

Years later he was paid $20,000--scant reimbursement.

12/30/2011


I knew a Japanese family for many years, she and her
mother are gone. Fuji was a dear friend and her Mother
lived to be 103 years old, everyone called her Grandma
Nishi. After she passed away her daughter gave me her
tea cup and the last pair of slippers she hand made, I still
have them. Her mother came to the USA in the early 1900's
married and moved to Salinas California, they had a huge
farm , during the war everything was taken and they were
sent to a camp in Arizona till the war ended, I was totally
heart broken when I heard the story, in the mid 80's they
were each paid $20,000- to me this was a slap in the face
their land I'm sure by then was worth hundreds of thousands
of dollars, many times I've thought of writing their story from
her Mother's eyes, from the time she came here in 1900's till
her death, something for me to think about...


Cheers..Joe

Joe,

How sad and think of those who didn't live long enough to get anything,

Think of those who died fighting for our side.

Not at all a well thought out action.