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Abe F. March
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PostSubject: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 2:21 am

JUST WHO ARE THE JESUITS?
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The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits
"I, ..........., now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed."

"Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers."

"I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same."

"I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise."

"I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant."

"I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ."

"That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me."

"I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus."

"In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!"

"All of which, I, .........., do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant." http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm

Foundation
The Jesuits were founded initially as The Company of Jesus on "Assumption Day" August 15, 1534, in a secret ceremony in the crypt of the Chapel of St. Denis by Ignatius of Loyola (born Íñigo López de Loyola) and Francisco Xavier, Alfonso Salmeron, Diego Laínez, and Nicolás Bobadilla all from Spain, Peter Faber from Savoy in France, and Simão Rodrigues from Portugal.
The formation was approved by Francis Borja, of the infamous "Borja" also known as Borgia/Borga, Duke of Grandia, grandson of Pope Alexander VI and the patron of Ignatius of Loyola. Francis Borja was the principle financier and architect in the formalization of the Jesuits into the first dedicated military order of monks of the Catholic Church. He was also responsible for securing the Papal Bull Regimini militantis (September 27, 1540) from Borja family friend Alessandro Farnese Pope Paul III which first gave the Jesuits official status as an order.
Ignatius of Loyola first came to the attention of the young Duke of Grandia by 1529 after Ignatius was again arrested by the Inquisition for practicing extreme religious devotion. Borja saw potential in the extreme military based devotion being preached by Ignatius of Loyola and his desire to establish an order of military monks. It was the young Borja who saved the life of Ignatius from the Inquisition.
At the death of Ignatius in 1557, Francis Borja was expected to be the second Superior General. However, his ambitions were hampered firstly by arch-enemy Giovanni Pietro Carafa as Pope Paul IV (1555-1559). Carafa had been one of the greatest enemies of Borja Pope Alexander VI and immediately nominated Diego Laynez (James Lainez) as Superior General.
Pope Paul IV died in August of 1559 and was replaced by Giovanni Angelo de' Medici (Pope Pius IV). In both cases, Jesuit Superior General Diego Laynez aligned himself closely making him virtually untouchable.
However, after Pope Pius IV rounded up and tortured and murdered Benedetto Accolti and other members of Papal families in an alleged failed plot, Cardinal Borja made his move and Pius IV was poisoned to death on December 9, 1565. A few days later, Superior General Diego Laynez suffered the same fate and soon after Cardinal Francis Borja was unanimously elected the third Superior General. http://one-evil.org/content/entities_organizations_jesuits.html
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PostSubject: Re: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 6:44 am

Interesting source, Abe: One evil - at least we can have a good idea of where they are coming from.

Over the centuries, the Jesuits fell into disfavor with the Vatican, and were eventually formally disbanded, although a minority remained. In time, during the 20th century, I think, they were reinstated. Today, they are best known for establishing schools and living a life of poverty.

They certainly have detractors. One element believes that they are aligned with the Illuminati - Dan Brown's fiction follows with this line.

I personally doubt that they are an "evil" group, but must admit, when I first heard the new pope was a Jesuit, something recoiled in me. Then I heard the name: Francis. I hadn't connected Francesco (duh), but once I heard Francis, I knew it had to be the priest from Assisi. The Frencescans and Jesuits are like opposite poles within the church in many ways.

That's why I think his election is a positive sign - a balancing point.

As a modern Jesuit, he is a traditionalist who will probably uphold the current doctrines while he works to solve the problems of abuse and financial irregularities. I doubt that we will see much progressive reform in the attitudes toward same-sex marriage, women in the clergy, or an end to celibacy. Down the line, we will have to see - psychologically, from my perspective, those practices are the very things that led to the sexual abuses within the priesthood. Time will tell, and time will tell us, to, if the choice of a name was sincere or a disarming ploy.

Meantime, I choose to go with the power of the symbolism coming from the cardinals choice as well as Father Bergoglio's choice for his new name.

You know me, by now; I cannot help but think that we get what we focus on. Focus on the possibility of evil; we tend to bring it about.

But that's just me.
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PostSubject: Re: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 7:05 am

I agree Ann. I was not aware of this oath, but it does explain past behavior.
It is said that we become what we think about most of the time. We can attract good or evil by our thoughts, however it is easier said than done. When we are given a daily dosage of bad news, the concentration is on the bad. I think it important to talk about the good in people and things people have done. Usually that happens after a person has passed.
I have attended many funerals in the past 10 years due to our choir singing at these funerals. Hearing the good things said about the departed is pleasing, but I wonder if any of these things were said about the person while he/she was still alive.

I believe change will occur when we become part of the change. Our best and only weapon is our mouth or what we write.
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PostSubject: Re: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 8:17 am

"I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same."

Oh well.
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PostSubject: Re: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 8:37 am

It was the 16th century, DK. The Protestant Reformation was a new and fearsome movement.
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PostSubject: Re: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptySat Mar 16, 2013 11:50 am

An interesting first look:

http://news.yahoo.com/francis-turns-charm-first-meeting-press-111911747.html

Quote :
Francis turns on charm in first meeting with press
"Let me tell you a story," Francis said in a break from his prepared text during a special gathering for thousands of journalists, media workers and guests in the Vatican's auditorium.
Francis then described how he was comforted by his friend, Brazilian Cardinal Claudio Hummes, as it appeared the voting was going his way and it seemed "a bit dangerous" that he would reach the two-thirds necessary to be elected.
When the threshold was reached, applause erupted in the frescoed Sistine Chapel.
"He (Hummes) hugged me. He kissed me. He said don't forget about the poor," Francis recalled. "And that's how in my heart came the name Francis of Assisi," who devoted his life to the poor, missionary outreach and caring for God's creation.
He said some have wondered whether his name was a reference to other Francis figures, including St. Frances de Sales or even the co-founder of the pope's Jesuit order, Francis Xavier.
But he said he was inspired immediately after the election when he thought about wars.
St. Francis of Assisi, the pope said, was "the man of the poor. The man of peace. The man who loved and cared for creation — and in this moment we don't have such a great relationship with creation. The man who gives us this spirit of peace, the poor man."
"Oh how I would like a poor church and a church for the poor," Francis said, sighing.

(from our dear friend, Joyce Ann Edmundson's Facebook entry)
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PostSubject: Re: Jesuits   Jesuits EmptyMon Mar 18, 2013 8:29 am

The new Pope is making a good impression. Instead of using the Pope Vehicle, he went by bus and took Cardinals with him, paying the fare out of his pocket. He's setting a good example for other clergy who most always expect a free ride.
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