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Abe F. March
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PostSubject: American Communism   American Communism EmptyThu Aug 23, 2012 8:39 am

Communism in America already exists, especially among the rich. The divide between rich and poor is widening and it may spread to the poor - neighbor helping neighbor to survive.

Capitalism is not democracy, although capitalism thrives in a democracy. Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows people to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination. What is happening to our democracy? Is the right to vote being made difficult to thwart participation?

Then there is Christian communism. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

We use labels to indicate what is good and bad. Often the things that are labeled as bad are good and what appears to be good, is not so good.

Our current economic problems have the seeds for communism. Revolts are in the process and change to our way of life is in progress. Don’t be surprised at the outcome. Become informed and vote accordingly.
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PostSubject: Re: American Communism   American Communism EmptyThu Aug 23, 2012 11:10 am

May I ask you a few questions, Abe? You have proposed an intriguing idea, but I'm not sure where you stand with it.

What is your definition of communism?

How does communisim, in the sense you are using it, relate to Marxism?

Who are these "Christian Communists today? Is there an organized group? Are they part of the "traditional" Christian community in the US?

Are you advocating communism, or warning against it?

Ann



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PostSubject: Re: American Communism   American Communism EmptyThu Aug 23, 2012 11:47 am

Ann, concerning Christian communism, please refer to the link I posted. Check out the LDS (Mormon) communistic beginnings.
Marxism is associated with violent revolution. As you mentioned in your post a few days ago, revolution does not necessarily mean violence.

My warning, based on history, is that we are already primed for communism, good or bad. Communism in a moderate form (which I don't think is possible) would be okay. Since socialism is associated with communism as being one of the same in our society, it is difficult to define based on preconceived ideas. Having social programs does not make one a socialist in the sense that it is being used politically. We have social services to benefit our citizens and that is good. It is also Christ-like.

Be definition, collective bargaining (unions), Co-ops for farmers or any organization working for the common good is a form of communism. Does that make it bad? Since society deems the words socialism and communism as a bad thing, any form of communism is considered bad. Pehaps new words should be created to differentiate between the good and the evil of both.

I would warn against Marxism - not communism. Extremes are to be warned against. The gap between rich and poor is becoming more extreme. The social elite control, and they want to keep it that way. The seeds for revolt exist. The elite already control our government. Money is the power.

Sorry if there is no simple answer, however if it causes one to think, I have succeeded.
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PostSubject: Re: American Communism   American Communism EmptyThu Aug 23, 2012 12:53 pm

I did read the article you posted, Abe. The references to the Morman Church spoke of communalism - not communism as we know it. Communal living was practiced by the Early Christians, according to the Book of Acts. While "communism" has a lot in common with communal living, not all forms of communal living would be termed communism as we generally use the term today.

That's one of the main reasons I asked you if you would mind defining the term - it means different things to different people.

Ann

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PostSubject: Re: American Communism   American Communism EmptyThu Aug 23, 2012 11:12 pm

Ann, we are in agreement. What a Face There is the tendancy to lump everything together in one word that can have multiple meanings, as with communism and socialism. Europeans are labeled socialists because they have numerous social programs in place to help the underprivileged. That label is misleading. If, and I say if what we have in Germany were the true definition of a socialist, they I would be proud to be called a socialist. There are those who use such labels for political reasons. They are the same lot that will do or say anything to get elected. They use ignorance for gain. Ignorance can be fixed with education. How to educate with truth becomes a problem. Challenging people to think and do some research for themselves is one way. That was the intent of my post.
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