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P. Gordon Kennedy
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PostSubject: Re: The reasons POD books less likely to succeed   The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 EmptyTue Apr 22, 2008 6:26 pm

Shelagh wrote:
I think Don and Malcolm have summed up the POD industry. Yes, it is the future and probably the end of millions of sales of a single title (millions of sales will come from thousands of books). Amazon want in on this and are setting up their stall to get the most out of POD publishing by cutting out the middleman.

Don would like to see a chart of sales for traditionally published authors -- something that would be both interesting and informative. Over the next few years the non-bestselling authors will sell fewer books and the top POD selling authors will sell more books. Within a decade maybe less, it is likely that more than 50% of books will be POD -- but that's only a guess.

Either way, authors of fiction had better not plan on giving up the day job.

I found some statistics that seem to back up what you said about the end of millions of sales of a single title. In 1975, 39,000 new books were published. In the year 2000, 122,000 new books bere published, and in the year 2003, 164,000 new books were published and the number continues to grow every year. I also agree that the market share of POD books will continue to grow. In twenty or thirty years, I think POD might be as much as 90% of the book market. By then, the world might be seeing half a million or more new books a year. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The reasons POD books less likely to succeed   The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 EmptyTue Apr 22, 2008 8:42 pm

I agree that being a full time fiction writer is not something that many can do. It would be interesting to see that chart you mention Don; I wonder if POD authors would be willing to submit their info. Could it somehow be used to leverage those books and somehow get people interested in reading them?
I find the POD industry a little bit like PBS on TV...some people watch out for them intentionally, looking for a better, deeper read than they might find on the networks (or through the mainstream publishers where, right now, if it doesn't look like chick lit, it's tough to sell). Kind of comes back to another thread we had, which talked about co-ops of authors selling their books. Hmmm. I have just had an idea, but it belongs in a new thread I think. See you there?!
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Self-Publishing Book Distribution & Marketing
Step four of the self-publishing process

Searching for the perfect book distribution channel for your self-published book is not unlike searching for the Holy Grail. Unless you have a marketing plan and a fair amount of money behind you, and in many cases, access to media and traditional bookstore distribution, sales will be a disappointment. This is not to say you won’t be successful. It’s just to say that you are going to most likely be swimming against the tide trying to distribute and market books in a traditional manner. The one thing that I am absolutely positive of is that there is no easy way to sell books and there is definitely no one place you can “throw money” and expect your books to disappear. Your success is going to be directly related to the effort you put in to selling your book, no matter what programs you select. If you don’t want to put in the time and effort to market your books, don’t buy too many copies. 100 books sold are better than 1000 books in your closet.
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PostSubject: Re: The reasons POD books less likely to succeed   The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 5:19 am

Shelagh, that quote wraps it up nicely...as we transition from wearing the author's hat to marketer's hat, and then back again, we sell books.
To market to market
To sell a few books
Home again home again
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Uh oh, now I am playing with poetry. Oh my.
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PostSubject: Re: The reasons POD books less likely to succeed   The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 7:15 am

After reading Shelagh's latest quote, I'm back to the only viable sales idea being to do something outlandish, but not overly illegal, after the book comes out to ramp up sales.

Anything for some news coverage. :-)

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PostSubject: Re: The reasons POD books less likely to succeed   The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 8:06 am

I am with you, Malcolm. It seems to me that people do not care who publishes a book, but go on media hype (ads, news, reviews, etc.) and recommendations from those they trust. Plus what catches their interest due to cover design, and the fore mentioned items. So getting into the limelight is key!
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PostSubject: Re: The reasons POD books less likely to succeed   The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 EmptyWed Apr 23, 2008 8:37 am

That sounds a little bitter Lin, even from you...it is tough to deny that Gates has also done a lot of good. Look at the legacy he and his wife are leaving through the foundation they established, as an example. http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm


That has always been what robber barons and evil monopolists do, after they've crushed out healthy competition and degraded the product, they give money to worthy causes (generally most of the money raised from others, when you look into it) so they will look good.
It fools some of the people some of the time.

The negative impact of that guy on the state of computers and the entire information culture of the world has been disastrous.

Ask any computer geek.

COMPARE/CONTRAST to Rowling who created something new, rather than stealing it, brought joy to millions and was credited by many as a savior of the industry and giving a huge, worldwide boost to kids reading books.


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get onto the bottom rung of the ladder and climbed to the very top. POD published authors are not even on the ladder and until they find an agent/traditional publisher, that's where they will stay.

Actually, almost nobody works there way up a ladder. People tend to enter the "ladder" at a certain level and pretty much stay there.

Most big name writers debut with support and standing. A big reason they get to be big name writers.

There is plenty of future for POD/self-publshed writers, and it gets brighter every day.
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Touché Lin, touché! The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 Proposetoast
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Not that my despising Gates means I didn't wish he was running for President this year.
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Well Lin I just gave up on watching the Canadian late night news broadcast; of 15 minutes that I watched, I gave up when they hit 10 minutes on the Obama/Clinton thing. You'd think everything had stopped happening right here...at least if Gates and a few others were running it might actually seem like an election was coming...
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I'm with you Pam! I think the whole election process has become a media circus. I'm sick to death of it. Perhaps my memory fails, but I don't remember previous elections being quite so volatile.

There will most likely be many books, autobiographical and otherwise to come from the election! And you know they will be the ones receiving media attention, even when it's all over.
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Hmm, points once again to doing something ridiculously silly, bordering on illegal or stupid maybe and then gaining notoreity. I'm just not sure it's worth it, but it certainly is tempting!! Rolling Eyes
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doing something ridiculously silly, bordering on illegal or stupid maybe and then gaining notoreity.

You were saying you don't like the presidential candidates. That suggests an easy route to notoriety. Can you get handguns in Canada?
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Just be sure you get them all.
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Actually Lin, it's really hard to get a handgun here, and I am okay with that. We're more inclined to chuck a cream pie in the face of our politicians, although no one remembers who throws the pie, just the politician.

I want the notoriety, yes, but swore off actually killin' and shootin' when I left the army. Seriously. Shocked
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Gp with the pie. My guess is if you socked Hillary in the kisser with a pie you'd have people trying to sign you up at the arraignment.
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This I can handle. Pie, notoriety...jeez I had better get this book finished I am working on or there won't be any ready to sell when my pic hits the tv screen!
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Come on Pam,
are you too young to remember the slingshot? What about the bow & arrow? Perhaps you'd prefer to throw darts? The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 971369
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Cream in the face stings much less than a slingshot Abe - which I did somehow miss in my childhood. I think they went out when I was a kid - replaced by pellet guns - but I have seen them around again recently. And I have fired a bow and arrow and the damned thing hurt my arm, although a cross bow might be better...nah, cream pie still makes the point and nobody gets physically hurt...aw geez Abe, now I am hungry again. This forum is making me fat, I swear!
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Financial opportunity! If you could get Hillary (or the politician of your choice) to do it, for half the proceeds, perhaps.

Provide the pie tins filled with whipped cream, and charge $5. a throw. What a money maker that would be!! I think there would be a long line!
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Oh, and you could make poster sized book covers for a backdrop!
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The only pie in the face I ever did was on my last day in the army. The pie had a luscious-looking topping of shaving cream, but the nutricious center was a blend of dog droppings. HIGHLY effective and heart-warming.


If you want some good background on pies in the face, check out the "Bugsy Malone" movie with Jodie Foster and Scott Biao. Classic piery and a wonderful flick.
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Ha! I remember that movie Lin-what a riot. Will have to see if I can find a rental somewhere. Thanks for the marketing tip Zada - I never thought of charging someone else to throw a pie. Making a few bucks at this little endeavour may be just the thing to get it going. That'll earn me a few dollars to pay for printing the posters.The reasons POD books less likely to succeed - Page 3 402987
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Now I'm thinking, forget pies, though. SHOES are the thing.
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