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So sorry to see that your arm fell off George. Such a shame. Manuscript assessments - are they worth the money? - Page 2 343621
George is saving the best bits for a lady who doesn't necessarily have slender fingers but is definitely not married. Well, you wouldn't want a married one, would you? Manuscript assessments - are they worth the money? - Page 2 67296
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Shelagh, do you suppose that George is bumping off these ex-girlfriends in his books? I don't generally read fantasy, but may need to order a copy so I can check it out...or perhaps incorporating them into a game so someone else bumps them off...ooh how positively wicked Manuscript assessments - are they worth the money? - Page 2 798629
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George will definitely be plotting something now that we are talking about him! scratch Can't remember what kind of plotter he is. But he does like gravy...
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Hmmmm . . .
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Yes gravy I remember seeing somewhere...do you suppose he likes it with oatcakes? Or are they served with jam? Oh yes, Yorkshire Pudding with gravy and Oatcakes with jam...right. Got it. Wink
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Hmmmm ... he's definitely up to something!
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Moi?
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You've been watching Manchester United! Not a bad result!
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Actually, no I wasn't, but the away goal for Man U is an excellent result indeed.

As to what I've been up to? Oh nothing much, just changing the course of history.
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I knew you would.
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It's scary stuff Shocked
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affraid we like scary. Do tell...
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Pam wrote:
Yes gravy I remember seeing somewhere...do you suppose he likes it with oatcakes? Or are they served with jam? Oh yes, Yorkshire Pudding with gravy and Oatcakes with jam...right. Got it. Wink

Wow, we seem to have a food gap! Or is that a pond gap? I've not heard of some of those things! I've heard of the pudding, but with gravy? affraid

And what the heck are you guys watching on your tellies? I suppose I should tune in to the BBC channel more often. Now, what was the topic?

Can someone pass me the scones and marmalade? Hmmm ... On second thought, I think there is some cheesecake in the fridge.
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Yorkshire pudding with gravy is unbelievable, and often served here (and in the England) with a nice roast beef and even sausages. My kids love it, and my oldest actually was bound and determined to master it when she moved in to her own place. It was one of her first successful dishes and she was so happy about it that she put pictures on facebook.
They like any left overs with jam for breakfast. I blame my Dad for that! afro
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Wow, cold leftover chicken curry with jam in the morning! Yummy!!
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Well I never, curry and jam. What a darned good idea -- you certainly are thinking outside of the box this morning George!
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Good morning Pam, lovely to see you too! Very Happy
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I'm with you, Zada. I've heard of Yorkshire pudding, but have no idea what it is. But with gravy? And there I was, thinking my love for plain ol' cold pizza in the mornings was unusual.
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This is the way they serve Yorkshire pudding in Yorkshire:
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The pudding is made from eggs, flour and milk and beaten into a batter that is added to hot fat (beef dripping) and baked in a very hot oven. The pudding is served with gravy as a starter before a Sunday roast of beef.

This is the way it is served up in restaurants:

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Wow, that actually looks good, Shelagh. Thanks! Except for frying it in beef drippings, it sounds like several dishes, from pancakes to scones. Well, it sounded good until you mentioned gravy over it.

But, I remember a small restaurant in Anaheim, CA in the '60s. They prepared the best hot beef sandwiches and instead of mashed potatoes, they served crispy fries with them. Everyone else had gravy over the fries and I thought that was weird--until I finally caved and tried it. Absolutely loved it!
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I see George and I were the early birds today! I have been convinced to produce Yorkshire Pudding with roast beef this weekend! Those look great Shelagh, although I make mine in a muffin tin so that everyone has these individual ones that shape themselves like a cup or have a big empty spot in the middle that the clan likes to drown in gravy. For Zada and Brenda, they are similar to a pop over that I've had in the States, although less egg in them. The other similarity is to an unsweetened pancake for flavour - that's why they go great with gravy or jam!

OK, I'm going' back to work now. Hungry.
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That's what I was trying to think of, Pam. Popovers!
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Gosh. And all this time I thought the pudding was an actual pudding. Like Chocolate! They almost make me think of a small soufle that didn't puff. I love breads of all kiinds (scones, bicuits, pancakes, etc.), and I think I just might like it. Rather like biscuits and a light gravy. Sausage gravy and biscuits are a favorite of mine, especially for breakfast. Yum. Maybe I need to go do breakfast. It's almost lunchtime here.
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Madhatter and Jenny,

I've been curious about professional editors. Both of you had great experiences, it appears.

My concern is the cost. Recently, I saw a service that did light editing a a penny a word and more indepth editing at 5 cents a word. That doesn't sound unreasonable from an editor's point of view.

But then I multiply the number of words in my manuscript and see that light editing would cost me $2,400 and that heavy editing would cost me $12,000. That's more than most first novels (literary fiction) earn. So, I hold back on this.

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Malcolm,

The editorial service I used charged a per-page fee--double-spaced pages, 12 pt TNR font. My manuscript was, if I recall, about 340 or so pages. Since this was a couple of years back, I can't quote exactly. I'm sure if you contact Susan Malone, she could tell you her rates.

Her website is www.maloneeditorial.com
She has a good description of what a writer can expect from one of her critiques.

If you decide to contact her, please mention me--Rhett DeVane.

She provided much more than looking over the copy for missed commas, etc. The real help was in her evaluation.

Anywho...hope this helps!

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