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Subject: Alternative Facts Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:28 am
We have now entered an “Age of Information” where the need for positive information is created by using a new term: “Alternative Facts”. It is interesting to note that the newly proclaimed President of the United States spends his time on his image rather on the job he was selected to perform. I am considering writing a book with the title: “Alternative Facts/Reality” It could be a fun project to re-write history with distorted facts. History has already recorded unsubstantiated information that is believed as fact. Why not embellish on this with known elements of falsehood for the reader’s enjoyment? It is evident that many people cannot be convinced with the truth and that the alternative is the use of sarcasms. It is evident that the proclaimed President has the mind of a juvenile with temper tantrums. A person that is more concerned about his self-image than for the people he was selected to serve. You will note that I use the word “selected” and not “elected” since that is still the subject of debate.
Trump created the slogan: “Fake News”. Perhaps “Alternative Facts” is a fitting description of his views.
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:37 am
Alternative facts, Abe, about the inauguration:
Photo of the crowd with a gigapixel camera:
Alternative facts:
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:58 am
Alternative Facts: The inauguration of Bernie Sanders as President got off to a good start. The landslide election as an Independent gave him unprecedented support from all parties. His agenda from day one is to provide healthcare for all Americans. (See below for details). He also announced that support for education would be given priority (See below for details). Human Rights will be applied in all dealings, both domestic and foreign. All citizens, regardless of race or religion, will be treated as equals. International Trade will be enhanced with countries that have a proven record of human rights. Financial Aid will cease to any country in violation of UN Resolutions and/or abuse of Human Rights. Repairing America’s infra-structure will be another priority that will create jobs (See below for details) Protecting the environment will be a guiding principle with all present and planned projects.
************************************************************************* *Healthcare. A proven European model will be adopted. Everyone will pay a fee for healthcare services. The fee will be based on a fixed percentage of the person’s income. (If there is no income, there is no fee). Private Insurance will be available to those who do not choose to subscribe to the National HealthCare Program.
*Education. Teachers will be compensated based on their education and experience that will include a minimum living wage. Students will be required to pass standard tests to be advanced to the next grade level. For higher education, qualified students (those who pass an entrance examination) will be granted tuition-free access to the college/university of their choice.
*Environment: Emphasis will be given to non fossil fuel entities, i.e., Solar power, wind and water power. Cannabis will be instituted as a prime substance with multiple applications that include: “medicine, fuel, paper, food, rope, maps, clothes, nets, lace, soap, sails, shoes, plastics, explosives, caulking, fiberboard, paint, sealant, methanol, gasoline, fibre for fuel, bricks, charcoal, auto bodies, packing mass, lubricants, oil for lighting, oil for fuel, oil for lights, animal food, furniture, mats, varnish, lotions, ointments, lacquer, salad dressings....” Cleaning of rivers and streams will not only create jobs, but also provide, preserve and protect our source of drinking water. It will also protect the food supply derived from water sources.
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:25 pm
Don't we wish! All I had against Bernie Sanders was that he would not get elected. I would have loved the ideals he would have put in motion - if the Congress filled with enough Democrats following with him. Without the Congress, he would have been in the same situation as Barack Obama - all the great ideas and and a Congress of obstruction.
Now it's a Congress of destruction. All the tax dollars that went into moving the country forward and providing safety for citizens are being flushed down the Steve Bannon toilet.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:53 am
alice Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:50 am
Steve Bannon will be the end of us. Creepy!
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:27 pm
The nation will survive but it will never again be the light to the world. We have gone too far back toward the 50s with destructive old white men that have damaged us and the women they have trained. I am damaged. I wake every morning feeling ill that the nation I love is being destroyed by self-serving pompous asses who are egomaniacs and all the ugliest terms that have been applied. They have ignored the reality of a global world that cries for a moral compass and environmentally cognizant planning. I won't go on. It's just too sickening. We have Steve Bannon, not elected, pulling President Trump's strings and Kellyanne Conway twisting the lies to make them sound better. We have self-serving people running rampant through the taxes we pay with little concern for the majority of the nation's citizens and an ignorant Cabinet for the most part with self-serving destroyers. The emperor is still wrapped in his new clothes that promise everything but in reality, he's naked. Any blundering fool can wage a path of destruction of everything good that our taxes paid for over the last eight years to pull us out from the last ravages of the Republicans that nearly took us and the world with us - too the depths of despair. It takes a leader to build on accomplishments, tweak failures to turn them into successes and create solutions to new issues instead of checking off a list of what can be destroyed to fluff the ego feathers. God, it's just so sickening to an intelligent mind.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:09 am
DK. You express my feelings. Today my wife and I were discussing past and present leaders. We were in agreement on those we selected as good and bad. The current American leader is the worst we have seen to date. We thought that George Bush was bad, but Trump is making George look better. So far, Trump has not taken us into war, but I am convinced that he will. When a country goes to war, the powers of the President are very broad and they like the power associated with it. We watched a program on the history channel today concerning Russia – past and present. Putin, a former KGB agent is smart. I am of the opinion that he has information on Trump that can be used as blackmail. When Putin enters his congress he walks on a Red Carpet and sits on a chair that looks much like a throne. Trump may be trying to imitate him. Walls are built to keep people in. Trying to build a wall to keep people out doesn’t work. The planned wall between the US & Mexico will be a total waste of money and the American tax payer will pay for it, directly or indirectly. When I read how this administration is planning to cut Social Security and other programs designed to help those in need, I am angry. Trump has not produced his Tax Returns for public scrutiny and I don’t think he will. It may reveal his business interests/connections in other countries as well as reveal that he is not as rich as he claims. He is a Con Man. He has told so many lies that even if he were to tell the truth, I wouldn’t believe him. I read reports and watch TV programs where the world at large considers him a stupid fool. Making fun of him has provided much entertainment, however the amusement may turn to horror before his tenure as President is finished. If something can be done to stop this man it should be done soon. Hindsight won’t repair the damage.
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:11 pm
On the Senate floor, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) warned about the divisiveness of the country in an impassioned speech, Feb. 7.
joefrank Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:08 pm
2/10
Just give him a chance ( Trump ) he's better than Obama, at least he's doing what he said he would do, it get's up my nose when I see how the far left get's away with riots, saying disgusting things on face book , they still can't get over that the Democrats were flushed down the toilet !!! Hillary is the one who destroyed the Democratic party with her self serving ways ..........
Cheers..........Joe.........
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:44 pm
For quite some time, I've been fact checking posts on facebook posted by democrat supporters. Everything I check proves to be false. Recently, I have been reading stuff that made me wonder if I was misreading the news, so I continued to fact check. What I found was that the democrat supporters were in total denial of reality. Donald Trump is not ranting and raving, angry, fed up, ready to give up, wishing he had never become POTUS: all wishful thinking on behalf of his detractors. On the contrary, he is calm, measured and appears to be relishing his position. Fifty years of business deals has taught him that opposition and blocking is part and parcel of doing business. Same with court decisions, some go for you, but most go against, so you have to negotiate, change direction and find an alternative, and then eventually you will succeed and move on to the next deal. All his detractors want to pull him down so that they can say: told you so. They will end up as sad as the AW bashers who still post about PublishAmerica, and you don't get much sadder than that.
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:28 pm
I don't know what posts Shelagh is reading. I fact checked the repub posts and found they were posted by fake news sources and totally false during the election process and now. In fact, I was thrilled to find a button on Facebook so I can delete those news sources and have them not appear anymore. The same goes for the hate posts that continue to slam former President Obama. He's no longer in office - but I know from my own experience that President Obama did magnificently considering the Republican Congress stopped everything that would have benefited the U.S. including the appointment of a Supreme Court judge that was conservative! I see President Trump speak. I don't need to read what others say about him. President Trump is a Steve Bannon puppet and everyone around him, including him, twists the truth and lies continuously about things for which I have first hand information by my own eyes and ears. President Trump is accustomed to being a dictator as a business CEO. Until him, the U.S. was a country of checks and balances and the people did not wish to live under a dictatorship, a king, or any such.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:51 pm
Senator Rubio gave an excellent speech about the Senate being a forum to debate issues in an open forum. As for Fact Checking reports, I have become skeptical about most sources and that includes those who purport to present the truth. We have heard so many lies (or distortion of truth) that the term “Alternative Facts” has become a term that reflects this distortion. I can only speak for myself concerning what I believe and why I believe what I do. Whether it be religion or politics, actions of people, not their words, give me that “gut feeling” about the person. I can’t explain it, but I rely on that gut feeling. That gut feeling has proven to be true for me. I could give numerous examples to support that view, however my “gut feeling” may not be the same as that of another person. I think that it is a combination of experience and exposure that provides me with my truth prompt. Even people who are completely honest often speak about what they feel is right. I’m reminded of Shakespeare’s quote: “To thine own self be true…” The human tendency of wanting to win an argument can contribute to the distortion of facts. That is evident even on this forum. We can agree or disagree on an issue so long as we respect the opinions of others and understand that their experience or exposure to events has helped to form their opinions. With this “age of information” we are inundated with information that our brain or faculty of reason must sort out. I find it comforting when “friends” form the same opinion as I have. There is a natural tendency to be drawn to these people. Having peace of mind is becoming more important than being in a constant state of perplexity or controversy. It is clear that I don’t like Trump. His actions before and after his election speak to me. There are those who refer to Liberals as “bleeding heart Liberals”. Whereas I was once angered by that label I now take it as positive. My heart does “bleed” for those who are suffering and that includes those with physical ailments requiring help as well as those who seek a safe place to live. I believe that we are all unique. Trying to be like someone else doesn’t work. We may seek to acquire positive traits we see in others; however those traits cannot be completely duplicated. If we dig deep enough we may find that the person we want to emulate also have their faults. There is only one person who is purported to have been perfect and he was crucified. I suggest that we accept our imperfections as we strive to improve. We cannot change another person. Their uniqueness will prevail. Tolerance and understanding can help.
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:09 am
DK and Abe, in your younger years, you both supported the Republican party. DK lived a millionaire lifestyle on a yacht around the Caribbean islands; Abe built a millionaire business. For different reasons, neither of you has sustained your lifestyle, and you are now both staunch democrat supporters. That's fine, but you have to show respect for rebulican supporters, in much the same way you were once respected for sharing the same political views.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:14 am
I don't agree with your assesment, Shelagh. The Republican Party of the past is not the same as the GOP of the present. When they changed, I changed. I can't speak for DK. My values have not changed.
joefrank Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:13 am
2/11
It's so sad that democrat supporters are on a suicide kick !
Cheers.........Joe........
alice Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:07 pm
My hubby and I were staunch Republicans--then they changed. We did too--into democrats.
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:46 am
Thanks Alice for stating my position. My values have been pretty consistent most of my life regardless of my lifestyle or place of residence. Like most people on this earth, my many years of family and career and travel have presented me with change and challenge. But my values are based on spiritual beliefs of one humanity and hope for a peaceful existence on an earth where we are good stewards of our resources. If there was a "moderate" party I might have qualified as I found reason to support people in either party at different times. Unfortunately, the Republican party has no room for "moderates" today as it has become intolerant of the very ideals on which I have lived my life. The Republican party has chosen fanatical positions to promote for the express purpose of vote gathering from the fanatical fringes of society. Under the current President Trump, I consider this administration a threat to the very democracy that was once a light to the world.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:04 am
DK, I once again agree with your analysis and share your feelings. Alice has also reflected my feelings about change in party affiliation. Fortunately we are not stuck or compelled to vote for a particular party. My vote is primarily for the candidate regardless of party. The exception is when one is presented with candidates that do not reflect my beliefs. I originally registered as a Democrat since that was the party my father supported. When Reagan ran for President, many in my father's circle voted Republican since he appealed to their religious beliefs, using the name of "God" frequently in his speeches. Since that was a vote getter, GWB used the same tactic and it worked for his election. It appears that Trump tried to a similar tactic to gain support of the Evangelicals. It worked. His deceit is evident in his actions. I suspect anyone who uses religion as a tool. "Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying. - Ralph Waldo Emerson -"
joefrank Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:25 am
2/13
I guess Abe has no clue ?????? The Democratic party is dead !!
Cheers.... Joe......
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:01 pm
Rome fell. It was the result of neglect and greed and lack of a moral compass. Sounds familiar.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:15 am
No clue, eh? I'll take that as an Alternative Fact.
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:26 am
dkchristi wrote:
Rome fell. It was the result of neglect and greed and lack of a moral compass. Sounds familiar.
Migration was the main cause of the fall of the Roman empire:
"The defeat of Adrianople didn’t happen because of Valens’s stubborn thirst for power or because he grossly underestimated his adversary’s belligerence. What was arguably the most important defeat in the history of the Roman empire had roots in something else: a refugee crisis."
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:53 am
Interesting Shelagh. The last paragraph on the website you provided states: "The migrants trying to get to Europe right now are not about to rise up in arms, and Europe is not—thankfully—the Roman empire. But this story shows well that migration has always and will always be a part of our world. There are two ways to deal with refugees: one is to promote dialogue, and inclusion; the other is to be unwelcoming and uncaring. The second has led to disaster before—and in one way or another, is sure to do so again.
joefrank Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Alternative Facts Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:35 am
2/14
Merkel has destroyed Germany, now she's offering any refugee $$$$$ to leave Germany ! What a fraud she is, she has brought Germany to its knees and puts its citizens at great harm, so Abe I'd stay where you are , me I'll take the USA anytime at least I know our President is protecting the USA citizens.....