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Abe F. March
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PostSubject: The Will of God   The Will of God EmptyTue Sep 15, 2015 4:09 am

I’ve read many posts on FB where people claim to know what God wants.  They will start out by saying:  “God wants us to…”etc.  How do they know what God wants?  Is it their interpretation of scripture that they apply to our current world and daily life?
 
George Carlin did a number of routines about God.  He did one on God’s “Divine Plan”.  How does one know that what they are praying for is or is not in God’s Divine Plan?  If it is not in the plan, then what you are praying for is a waste of time.  His routines did cause one to think even though it was comedy.
 
If the Jews are God’s chosen people, why in the Old Testament did he punish the Israelites so often?  Punishment was by the hand of man, inspired by God (so it is claimed).  If that is true, why then do Christians give support to Israel that seemingly defies the teachings of Christ?  Would not punishment for their crimes be by the hand of man, inspired by God?   
 
I find it difficult to reconcile actions by a people that are allegedly chosen of God to commit atrocities that are in opposition to the teachings of Christ.  “Turn the other cheek”  “Do unto others…”  “Blessed is the peacemaker”  “Love they neighbor…”  “Vengeance is mine…” 
 
Propagating a religious dogma tends to pick, choose and interpret scriptures that suit the agenda. 
 
Today we are inundated with news about Refugees/Migrants/Asylum seekers.  It causes people to wonder why all this is happening and what to do about it.  Some take a Christian position and ask what Christ would do.  Compassion comes to the fore.  As for the number of refugees in various countries, Lebanon has received two million Syrian Refugees.  That is 1/3rd of Lebanon’s population.  That is on top of the Palestinian Refugees already there.  What help is given to Lebanon?  From private sources I’m told that the Palestinian refugees that have been there for a number of years have taken jobs and have become industrious and many are now living alongside the Lebanese in modern conditions.  Acceptance and then opportunity must be a part of the settlement and acclimation of new arrivals.  Tolerance is a big part of this acclimation.  Trying to change habits overnight simply doesn’t work.  Rules/Laws must be followed and enforced.  People will adjust, but adjustment takes time requiring patience on the part of the indigenous population.  Religious tolerance is a sore point.  Although religion is known to be the cause of strife, for many it is a way of life.  Deeds not words will cause people to change, however that may take generations to occur, if ever.
 
I don’t claim to know the will of God.  I don’t claim to know and understand the scriptures as recorded in the Bible.  For me, the Old Testament is an ancient record of events that supposedly took place.  The New Testament teachings did away with the “Eye for an Eye” concept replacing it with Love, compassion and tolerance.  I cannot understand how so many continue to support a regime whose doctrine is more closely associated with the Old Testament that is contrary to the Christian philosophy. 
 
I have more questions than answers.  I want to believe in a God of Love and mercy.  No one is above Man’s Law and I don’t believe that there are any humans or race exceptions to God’s laws.
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Domenic Pappalardo
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PostSubject: Re: The Will of God   The Will of God EmptySat Sep 26, 2015 9:15 pm

Abe F. March wrote:
I’ve read many posts on FB where people claim to know what God wants.  They will start out by saying:  “God wants us to…”etc.  How do they know what God wants?  Is it their interpretation of scripture that they apply to our current world and daily life?
 
George Carlin did a number of routines about God.  He did one on God’s “Divine Plan”.  How does one know that what they are praying for is or is not in God’s Divine Plan?  If it is not in the plan, then what you are praying for is a waste of time.  His routines did cause one to think even though it was comedy.
 
If the Jews are God’s chosen people, why in the Old Testament did he punish the Israelites so often?  Punishment was by the hand of man, inspired by God (so it is claimed).  If that is true, why then do Christians give support to Israel that seemingly defies the teachings of Christ?  Would not punishment for their crimes be by the hand of man, inspired by God?   
 
I find it difficult to reconcile actions by a people that are allegedly chosen of God to commit atrocities that are in opposition to the teachings of Christ.  “Turn the other cheek”  “Do unto others…”  “Blessed is the peacemaker”  “Love they neighbor…”  “Vengeance is mine…” 
 
Propagating a religious dogma tends to pick, choose and interpret scriptures that suit the agenda. 
 
Today we are inundated with news about Refugees/Migrants/Asylum seekers.  It causes people to wonder why all this is happening and what to do about it.  Some take a Christian position and ask what Christ would do.  Compassion comes to the fore.  As for the number of refugees in various countries, Lebanon has received two million Syrian Refugees.  That is 1/3rd of Lebanon’s population.  That is on top of the Palestinian Refugees already there.  What help is given to Lebanon?  From private sources I’m told that the Palestinian refugees that have been there for a number of years have taken jobs and have become industrious and many are now living alongside the Lebanese in modern conditions.  Acceptance and then opportunity must be a part of the settlement and acclimation of new arrivals.  Tolerance is a big part of this acclimation.  Trying to change habits overnight simply doesn’t work.  Rules/Laws must be followed and enforced.  People will adjust, but adjustment takes time requiring patience on the part of the indigenous population.  Religious tolerance is a sore point.  Although religion is known to be the cause of strife, for many it is a way of life.  Deeds not words will cause people to change, however that may take generations to occur, if ever.
 
I don’t claim to know the will of God.  I don’t claim to know and understand the scriptures as recorded in the Bible.  For me, the Old Testament is an ancient record of events that supposedly took place.  The New Testament teachings did away with the “Eye for an Eye” concept replacing it with Love, compassion and tolerance.  I cannot understand how so many continue to support a regime whose doctrine is more closely associated with the Old Testament that is contrary to the Christian philosophy. 
 
I have more questions than answers.  I want to believe in a God of Love and mercy.  No one is above Man’s Law and I don’t believe that there are any humans or race exceptions to God’s laws.

Good thinking Abe,
God has twelve tribes as his chosen people. Each tribe has it's own name. The tribe of Judah are known as Jews. The other eleven tribes are not Jews.
Why did God pick these twelve as his people?  God promised Abraham his seed would fill the earth. The twelve tribes come from his sons.
The Tribe of Judah(Jews) rejected Jesus as the son of God, and were removed as one of the twelve tribes. Their position was given to the nations...you, and me. Here is what God says of the Jews, "They are the most hard headed, and hard hearted of all the people of earth."
Look at them today. They fly a flag with what they call, "The Star of David." David never had a star. His son Solomon had that star in his later years after he got into black magic...the star is from Egypt, and is the sign of Satan.

You talk about Gods love. In the past I have spoken about what Jesus said about two seeds on earth. A seed from Satan, and a seed from Adam...the wheat, and the traes. All of the wheat, even those who do not believe in God, will have life.  A person who wants nothing to do with God, but is of the wheat...will have life. How do we know if we are wheat, or tars? simple. The tares want to kill the wheat. The wheat do things wrong...but when they do they feel bad. Not so with the tares. It is hard to spot a tare. They know how to lie, and look like anybody else...they promote things against Gods laws.
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PostSubject: Re: The Will of God   The Will of God EmptySun Sep 27, 2015 12:03 am

Thanks Domenic.  Your info clarifies much.
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PostSubject: Re: The Will of God   The Will of God EmptyMon Nov 09, 2015 9:37 am

Abe, I watch on you tube David Irving, "Truth in History." I like this man. he deals with only what he can prove. He brings out some great facts, and the lie we have to live under. I did not know Germany has had to pay millions to Israel for the 6 million they murdered...which Irving has proved is a lie. And it is against the law for anybody in Germany to talk about it...so don't say anything Abe, they will put you in jail, and a heavy fine...Irving was given a $30,000 fine for showing just on fact he had proven. The only gas chamber there is was built by the poles in 1946...records taken from Russia. I love a man who will stand up to a lie.
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PostSubject: Re: The Will of God   The Will of God EmptyMon Nov 09, 2015 4:58 pm

The U.S. and Russian soldiers who opened the "POW" camps know what they saw.  The families and children of those families know what was experienced.  One person does not know.  Most of those with true knowledge will be dead in another couple decades.  They are the ones who know.  It is pitiful that true history is difficult to know because people have the capability of maneuvering facts to fit their point of view.

Regardless of numbers, genocide and inhumane acts were committed on an organized and well-recorded scale.  When I lived in Germany there were many books and societies that shook their fingers at the U.S. for the genocide of the Indian races.  It was like an obsession.  Mention you were an American and the talk of the Indian genocide was brought into conversation. I felt like it was a purge of universal guilt that touched every German citizen by association - and they had to find another nation as despicable, especially the one that freed their POWs and knew...

Yes, in the name of war and in the name of religion heinous things have been done from the beginning of time and in the present time - that does not make any one any less despicable.  We have the capacity to love, to forgive, to embrace our human brothers and sisters in peace and prosperity.  That is where the energy of those with the capacity to know this mission need to be directed. 

At the same time, we need to recognize the signs of hopelessness, bias and prejudice and hate, and greed and fear that drives people toward separation and destruction instead of community and growth.  We learn those by admitting our dark side and dark deeds and stopping them.  Period.  Everywhere.  They all start with a thought - and we can change the way we think.  Together.
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PostSubject: Re: The Will of God   The Will of God EmptyMon Nov 09, 2015 8:06 pm

dk,
here is a fact you can take to the bank...records from Russia, who held Poland at the start of, and after the war, prove the one, and only gas chamber there is, was built in 1946 by Poland.
The many who came forward and told stories about the camps, many of those were proven not to be true. To this day, Germany still has to pay Israel millions each month for the murder of 6,000,000 Jews. Howard Gibson, one of the Army Officers sent to Europe by President Truman found in 1933, there were only 3,000,000 Jews in all of Europe...the same amount that went to Palestine after the war. When Truman saw the pictures of the camps, he said, "Wow, they could have killed 6,000,000"...that is where the 6,000,000 came from. If it was true, they would not have had to pass laws in Europe to shut people up from challenging it, the facts would stand on their own. Those were labor camps, and yes many died in these camps...the Germans were out of food. Even Germans were going hungry. Most of the workers in the camps were Russian...were do you think the 4,000,000 Russian POW's went?
Go to you tube, and watch David Irving, "Truth in history," then tell me what you believe the truth is?
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