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PostSubject: Re: Syria   Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:35 am

So Kerry gaffe gets hyped as the greatest thing and the media butt kissers fall right into line. Criminal Obama may slip through this without having to act. The problem is I don't think this strengthens America in the eyes of the world. It probably weakens it since sensible people can see through this. Meanwhile, no action is being done anywhere to stop the killing still happening.

When we get any truth out of Washington please let me know. Otherwise, let's consider renaming it Jokesville, USA.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria   Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:44 am

We will not get truth from anywhere politically until the campaign system is reformed and big money no longer controls all politics in all nations. 

Personally, I felt all along that Russia needed to step in.  I don't care who ends the carnage.  But there are enough other countries with vested interests in the outcome that they need to step in.

The U.S. doesn't need to take credit one way of the other.  This is a global economy.  Any partner may step forward and resolve conflicts for the benefit of citizens.  "For the benefit of citizens," however, is a big order.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria   Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:45 am

Has anyone considered the role that "blame" takes in keeping the world in chaos?  People need to stop blaming and start fixing.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria   Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:03 pm

You are right again, DK.  Name calling doesn't fix anything.  We can debate issues, provided they don't turn into ugly arguments.  Opinions are good when based on fact. 
We still don't know for sure who launched the chemical weapons.  We know if chemical weapons didn't exist they wouldn't have been launched by anyone.  I still don't understand why any country who doesn't intend to use their arsenal of weapons feel the need to have them. 
Now there are drones that can be launched to kill without having to see who is being killed.  Pin-point accuracy is crap.  For that to be effective, everything on the ground would have to be frozen in place. 

Civil wars are not civil nor do they remain civil with outside interference.  Our own Civil War is a good lesson.  When an outside force enters the fray, the combatants often band together and have a common enemy to fight.  That is what would happen if the US entered the fray by any means.  Let the UN handle the situation. 
I keep hearing that the US is not the world's policeman.  Why then support a military action or police action?  Remember that our involvement in Korea was considered a Police action.  That was also BS.
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PostSubject: Re: Syria   Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:28 pm

Can only repeat that we do not live in an ideal world.  No action has been taken at this time.  No one wants to, and as Kerry said in his speech today (did anybody watch?)  this is not about going to war. 

What this is about is not allowing unchecked aggression that would negate over 100 years of a ban on chemical weapons.

Assad would never have come as far as he has if he did not believe that Obama meant what he said.  This thing has a chance of ending peacefully, but as long as we continue to weaken the strength of Obama's position, we lessen that chance.
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