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Phil Whitley
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PostSubject: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyMon Sep 01, 2008 6:05 pm

Several authors at PA posted about their book price changing. I checked ine and sure enough...

My book, Keechie, was released in December, 2005
at $19.95 retail. During the Amazon fiasco it went to $16.95 through
PA, with my discounts still computed at full retail of $19.95.

Now the retail is listed as $24.95 and the PA offer price through their bookstore is $19.95.

What I now suspect is that if I purchase any more of my books, the discount will be computed from the new retail of $24.95.

It's becoming more and more difficult to maintain a positive attitude toward PA. A heads-up email would have been appreciated...

I think my decision on a publisher for my sequel has been made for me. I am pissed!
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Malcolm
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyMon Sep 01, 2008 6:41 pm

Does PA respond if one calls or e-mails and asks why the price has gone up $5?

Malcolm
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Phil Whitley
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyMon Sep 01, 2008 7:05 pm

They used to, but I'm not emailing them this time... at least not yet.
I have tried to be supportive this whole time, but the handwriting on
the wall is getting more legible by the day.

I had just ordered a few books for an upcoming event. That will more than likely be my last order.
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyMon Sep 01, 2008 10:00 pm

Now I am pissed, too. My book, Mother's Journals ... was published and offered at $24.95 last year. Then they dropped it to $19.95. Now it is listed at $29.95 retail, with my price at $24.95! Talk about inconsistent!
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Dick Stodghill
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 6:31 am

It's difficult to figure out what PA is up to. I have never paid much attention because I ran a couple of things from an old family history through them and have figured anything to do with PA is yesterday's news. I do check out their message board every now and then to see how ridiculous some of the posts are and it seems many people are upset by the price changes. The situation seems to be unprecidented except for issuing a hard cover book after it has been previously published in paperback. I've never bought any books from them but can see the changes would be upsetting to those who do. Perhaps PA is having financial problems and is trying to find a way out of them. If so, they have chosen an odd way of doing it.
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Jim Woods
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 7:02 am

I happened to be looking at submission requirements for Bleak House Books, and they clearly state that publishing credits with Publish America, iUniverse and Xlibris do not carry any credence with them and that the mere mention of such in the query letter will cause the submission to be tossed out. I have two-and-a-half books with PA with which I'm pleased insofar as the printing and binding go, and it was expedient for me to get them published quickly, but certainly this pricing situation changes things drastically. I'm not in the book selling side of business but I usually keep a handful of copies on hand for giveaway and promotion. I have four books with two other publishers--two prior to PA and two post-PA, but now I look forward to my contracts with PA running out so that those books may be retitled and published elsewhere, but my time is running out too.

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Abe F. March
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 7:38 am

My book has always been $21.95. I just checked and it says, "Retail Price $27.95 - your price $21.95"
I think it is primarily a marketing gimmick. However, with the book already overpriced at $21.95, this means that they have just killed future sales. Why do they want to shoot themselves in the foot? Or have they gone directly for the heart?

I must say that I was surprised at the number of copies sold even at the high price. I made an initial purchase of 50, like many others, to give away as promotion and for those who wanted an autographed copy. Those copies had nothing to do with royalties. Now it's a new ball game and it is their game to play.
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 8:22 am

I don't understand why PA is overpricing the books. Even the original prices were well over what a mainstream book would cost. In fact, the discounted hardbacks are often cheaper!

Raising prices isn't going to generate sales in an arena where sales are already very challenging to get except where the author buys them at greater discounts and resells them.

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Phil Whitley
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 10:48 am

I began getting suspicious the past month or so when they offered us
those "special" sales of 50% off with free shipping, then extended it
for another week, then another at 50% off and paid royalties, then
extended that one another week, etc. etc.

In the past we could expect those special offers two, maybe three times a year.
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Abe F. March
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 10:53 am

Interesting, Malcolm.
Today I got an email from PA offering a 55% discount on the purchase of 20 copies or more. I now wonder if that is off the new inflated price.
That reminds me of an acquaintance who owned a furniture store. He decided to have a "going out of business sale." I was in the store when he marked all prices up. Then he advertised 50% off on everything. He did so well, that since that time, he had an annual "going out of business sale." He even increases his inventory substantially before the event.

A discount from an inflated price is a marketing gimmick and many people fall for it.
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 1:52 pm

Old story. Raise prices. Then offer a big discount. What a deal.

Malcolm
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Phil Whitley
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 2:10 pm

I just learned that the lady who brought the price increase to our
attention at PA has been banned. They could have just locked the
thread, which is the usual thing they do. I may be next... LOL
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zadaconnaway
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyTue Sep 02, 2008 9:12 pm

That is really underhanded on their part. I dislike the banning, locking and deleting of threads/posts that goes on there. And there is seldom any explanation for it. Direct questions go unanswered, or are rudely answered. I don't get it.
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Brenda Hill
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyThu Sep 25, 2008 9:44 am

Before I left PA, my question about certain practices was deleted from the boards, and when I started another thread, that was pulled as well and I was banned. They only want happy, happy threads to lure in other customers.
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Dick Stodghill
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyFri Sep 26, 2008 6:25 am

I, too, was banned and then reinstated although I didn't care one way or another. The only advantage to not being banned is that it enables you to read the private boards for laughs. By that I mean sarcastic laughs. It also enables me to get emails from the lady in charge.
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyFri Sep 26, 2008 8:43 am

I have become a lurker! I go once in awhile to get a laugh, like you do Dick, but every so often there is a post I simply must reply to. I have managed to keep my trap shut most of the time, so haven't been banned ... yet.
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alice
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyFri Nov 07, 2008 2:34 am

They threw me out for nothing--couldn't even explain why they did it. They told me over and over they would never let me back so I told them I never wished to come back.
That surprised them and shut them up. If they ban someone they have done them a huge favor.

Posting on their board is a huge waste of time. Everything ends up deleted. I like my book--not the price. I do not like their messageboard, but there are other places...Here for instance!

Thank you, Shelagh.
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You are welcome Alice. It's good to have you on board. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyThu Nov 13, 2008 9:24 am

Alice wrote:
They threw me out for nothing--couldn't even explain why they did it. They told me over and over they would never let me back so I told them I never wished to come back.
That surprised them and shut them up. If they ban someone they have done them a huge favor.

Posting on their board is a huge waste of time. Everything ends up deleted. I like my book--not the price. I do not like their messageboard, but there are other places...Here for instance!

Thank you, Shelagh.

In the interest of truth, it was not for nothng. I masterminded the downfall of Pier and James' everlasting threads.

Now you know the rest of the story. lol! lol! lol!

Does anyone hear from W Lane Rogers?

He is quite entertaining
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Dick Stodghill
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyThu Nov 13, 2008 2:59 pm

I checked out the PA board today - first time in a month. What has happened to Pier? No posts from her recently.
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Phil Whitley
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyThu Nov 13, 2008 4:26 pm

She said something about a week ago about going on a trip - Paris, I think.

I miss her so... Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyThu Nov 13, 2008 4:37 pm

I feel sorry for Pier. She has not much of a life, even though she would invent it for her self.
Joy McQuiston came back to the PA board. She had told everyone to F off, went a little insane, had an episode, and said some really nasty stuff to Pier, to me, to James, and to Lynn Barry. It was one of those instigated arguments by the big four. (What ever happend to Rudy)

Since then, some eight months have passed, Joy is back with smiles and much to say.

She has taken over every thread. She did it with glee! Everyone left. It was time. Joy rules. I love that.

Love,
Betty
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Dick Stodghill
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyFri Nov 14, 2008 12:47 pm

I could feel sorry for her if she didn't get so nasty at times. And you, Brew, that wasn't nice so why am I laughing?
That PA board seems like a very boring place these days. No James, no Rudy, nothing but stupid questions or people celebrating because they received their author copies.

An old World War II buddy who doesn't use the Internet wrote to ask how he could get two copies of the book I did on the Normandy Campaign. I have never ordered a book from PA but I called to try to get two. I got an automated answer and was told to leave a message after the bleep. I hung up and ordered two from Buy.com for him. I have come to believe that PA's sole idea is to sell books to the people that wrote them, and do it by answering machine.
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyFri Nov 14, 2008 1:02 pm

Of course PA's 'business model' is to only sell to the authors. That's why so many in the business label them as a vanity press. Most of us learned that quite a while ago and that's one reason so many of us were so upset. It wasn't because we expected our books to be number one sellers, or that we didn't read our contracts, but most of us thought our books would have a chance to be in bookstores, to read by the public. That wasn't the case then, and it's not the case now.

About the time I signed with them in late 2004 or '05, one author was celebrating her success in getting a large bookstore to order her books. PA dropped her because they were not set up for large orders. Upset their bookkeeping, or something like that.
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PostSubject: Re: PublishAmerica Book Prices   PublishAmerica Book Prices EmptyFri Nov 14, 2008 3:04 pm

In PA's favor, they do what they say they'll do, get them on the Internet sites. That's how I was able to order from Buy.com. When you get down to it, shelf space in bookstores is dominated by books from large, mainline publishers. They have the sales force to make personal contact, make special offers available and much more. Those sales people are similar to the pharmaceutical companies detail men and women who take up so many parking spaces at doctors offices. No matter how they try, few if any small publishers can compete on a nationwide scale. Until they have a sales force to cover the entire country, that won't change.
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