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PostSubject: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:00 pm

10/16/2012



This is one of the worst presidential debates I've ever seen, horrible !!

CNN is very bias, so now it's up to the American people to clean house,

clean washington , eliminate all the excess jobs not needed. This is how I

saw it...

Romney 50% Pres. Obama 50%

So on Nov. 6th the American people will have their say, they will pull that lever

and only God knows who will be the winner, it'll be an all nighter..........



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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:00 am

My former spouse was a very successful businessman with all the financial perks including an overseas staff that bowed to him when he entered the room. He was accustomed to taking charge of a room. His estimation of a person's value was related to their financial position - little money; little value. He also contributed major to charitable causes, monetarily and with his time.

Long after we were no longer married, he helped me with a business situation in which I was involved. The people were also high-powered people. One of them said to me, "your husband is a pompous ass." I had often felt that way but never expressed it in so many words. I had heard others refer to him in those terms too behind his back when we were married. I just smiled at the remark, especially since everyone knew he was not my husband.

I share this story in this thread because Romney reminds me of the "p.a." ilk. They live in rarified air where everyone is bowing to their money. Remember, they would just be an ordinary bloke if they didn't have green stuff. Take a look at how humble the fallen become when their wealth is lost. Many can barely survive in ordinary life. He was able to propell the Romney wealth and name into his own success. Some silver spoons aren't as fortunate, though most are. Education at the right schools, marriage to the right woman and the right connections make success inevitable unless they are stupid.

I have more faith in a president who comes from a reality background and worked in reality environments, not as a better than but as a worker. I have more faith in a man who tells the truth than one who colors everything to turn it in his favor, bending the truth to a lie (such as Romney's defense of his position regarding the auto industry - actually trying to make it look like Obama's success against great opposition was Romney's idea!) The republicans were praying for failure - praying for the failure of the U.S. economy!

Romney never mentioned that his female cabinet would accept lower wages than men. He skipped the wages issue. That's how so many females entered banking in Florida - they were the only ones that would manage a bank for teller's wages to get the title.

I don't need to say more. Romney was not presidential in the debate The President was. However, dealing with Rromney's overbearing attitude and lying is difficult for a humble person like President Obama.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:38 am

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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:46 am

President Obama proved he could play the aggressive game as well as - maybe better than, Governor Romney. During the first debate, it was clear that the president had expected a gentlemen's debate, which followed the rules of observing time limits and not interrupting one's opponent. I had expected that, myself, and would have preferred to see a true debate last night. However, the media and the public reaction won out. Under the circumstances, the president had no choice but to prove he could handle the free-for-all format. He still managed to come off the better gentleman.

The main thing I took away from both events is that I do not see Mitt Romney as being presidential. He is too willing to shout down his opponent and take control of the situation by bluster and force. This behavior is the opposite of what we need in order to come together and solve our problems, domestically and abroad.

I continue to see strong signs of the president's integrity. He held his position and focused on the issues and remained rational in spite of the aura of warfare that has permeated these two encounters. He remained calm, self-assured, and successfully countered Romney's accusations. He maintained his own personal control, and that gave him the edge over Romney's attempts to take over.

I would say the president won the battle this round, but I would prefer that the discussions not be a battle in the first place.

I would prefer to see a legitimate debate.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:58 am

I agree Ann. These debates are seldom a true debate. It appears to be a contest to look good to the American voter.

I don't know if it is worse to believe lies or to support the person that tells them.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:10 am

Oh, well, we can now add the expression "binders of women" to "the 47%."
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:43 am

I loved the debate, every second of it . It was riveting and President Obama was clearly the winner.

How any woman could vote for him after he failed to support equal pay for equal work and even further demonstrated his chauvinism by saying women should get home in time to cook dinner, totally has me baffled.

Romney is a bully and a slick, fast talking, snake oil salesperson:)
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:42 am

Sure wish other people could see Romney through our eyes instead of their rose colored glasses that ignore his lying, cheating heart. I've said it before and I'll say it again - he comes from the era and workplace where "the ends justifies the means." Whatever it takes to steal the presidency is fair game for Romney as the "ends justifies the means." That's so often used in business to destroy an environment in favor of profits, or a country, or childhood.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:09 am

dkchristi wrote:
Sure wish other people could see Romney through our eyes instead of their rose colored glasses that ignore his lying, cheating heart. I've said it before and I'll say it again - he comes from the era and workplace where "the ends justifies the means." Whatever it takes to steal the presidency is fair game for Romney as the "ends justifies the means." That's so often used in business to destroy an environment in favor of profits, or a country, or childhood.

I can remember a time - not so very long ago, when nobody would have seen through it. Last night, many viewers did, and that's a great stride forward. More and more people are listening and watching and deciding from their own guts, rather than accepting the pundits.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:30 am

10/17/2012



Debates don't mean anything anymore, it's pure show,

almost like watching a circus ! True test is when the American

people vote.......

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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:47 am

The only true fact I was able to glean from Tuesday's debate was "It Was Tuesday!"

Otherwise it was the same old crap coming from both of them.

I will say it was pretty easy to tell which one was prevaricating though...It Was Whichever One Was Talking At The Time!

These aren't debates...they are contests to see who can spread the most BS without getting any on them!

VOTE...VOTE your conscience, but VOTE and God help us no matter which way it goes!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:21 pm

10/17/2012

Don...



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......Cheers..Joe....
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:35 pm

I think the debates do matter to some people, sometimes.

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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:27 pm

I remember debating in high school. It was very formal - and if you strayed from the rules you lost points. That type of debate might yield some new information.

I must say, though; I think President Obama expected a real debate with rules the first time and was blown away by Romney's total disregard for the truth or debate etiquette.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:29 pm

I agree 100%.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:15 pm

...and I agree even more:)
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:45 pm

Romney continued to bluster and interrupt, raise his voice and try to talk over both the President and Candy. He was exceptionally rude, not knowledgable, and condescending. He refused to answer direct questions, and once again didn't offer any details. I tend to agree with DK in that Romney is used to being in board room where everyone is afraid of him, and doesn't know how to react when someone gets the best of him. He showed his true colors in his remarks about the 4 dead at our embassy, and got called on a lie by both Obama and Ms. Crawley. He would not say he was in favor of equal pay for women, and completely changed his views on contraceptives. The man is a liar, has little or no integrity, and doesn't have any details about any of his plans. He is used to steamrolling everyone, and when he can't he reacts like a spoiled child. Last night was a clear and decisive victory for our President, and I was very glad to see him use the truth to slap the taste out of Romney's mouth more than once.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:03 pm

10/17/2012

It was the saddest day in American History, A President

lying over and over, now another company they gave 249 Millions

to has gone bankrupt ! This has got to stop and this man has to be

sent packing , Oh boy can't wait for 11/6...



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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:07 pm

Joe, why don't you post some of the things the President lied about? It might be interesting to see how much you don't know.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:18 pm

I truly believe that he and his wife believe that their perfect family is above ordinary souls, on a special ride to the Mormon heaven for all their good works on earth. They are just a little better than anyone else, especially a commoner like President Obama with no special parentage and an equally common wife. Sort of like the entitled, royalty syndrom.

I noted how he got in his church work as his qualifying ending to the debate to show what a super Christian guy he is. He has also started mentioning God a lot lately since the Mormons have an entirely different concept of God than the regular Christian vision. Mormons also believe in lots of little Mormons (like the Catholics) to add to the church - and that a mother's place is in the home. Women are subject to the rules of the head of the church and the head of the household. These inborn beliefs were very evident in the disrespectful way he treated the female moderator, as though it was beneath him that she was there; the "binders full of women" for his cabinet, some of whom were released early to go home and cook dinner; and the belief that the violence in our cities is the result of single parent mothers. I remember one Eagle Forum attempt to get government money to run programs to encourage pregnant teens to marry the scoundrel that got them pregnant.

Violence is the result of poverty, mental illness and segregation of poor and desperate people into ghetto dwellings where jobs are far away, stores are little high-priced 7-11's, there's no grass for tennis or soccer games and schools are the worst and children and adults are preyed upon by gangs and thugs and drug dealers - while desperate parents are gone working jobs that pay nothing. At least President Obama has tackled some of the worst schools.

There are no simple answers. Romney certainly has none. His running mate is equally clueless as he washes pans in an empty room at a food kitchen.

I do know that schools are a good start. Miami added community centers to schools and it helped a bit. I know what I'm talking about; I was a big shot who implemented Welfare to Work to 15,000 Welfare recipients in Miami and made major, positive changes in how those services were delivered from slummy offices to places of community pride. I implemented economic development projects to hire Welfare recipients in a good economy - and the sleezy politicians corrupted the contracts and had paybacks and false records. It was a nightmare, but I slogged through with a team of dedicated administrators who worked diligently for little reward. We ferreted out the thieves (the rich, white collar ones, not the Welfare recipients).
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:27 pm

President Obama cannot lie. Every statement he makes is a matter of accomplished record. The moderator fact-checked President Obama on the spot! She had a transcript of what he said in the Rose Garden. As President, he has no private words. His every move is recorded for the presidential library.

Romney is an empty suit of promises and half-truths, none documented. He can lie like a trooper and get away with it. Even he is caught by today's video of what he said one year and how he changed it and said he didn't say it the next. He is such a practiced switcher that maybe he doesn't know how much he lies.

No, President Obama did not lie. He was the only ray of truth except for the moderator and those in the audience.

I'm sure the Rush Limbaugh's and Jim Beck's out there will try to twist whatever President Obama said into an attempt to put him in the same league as Governor Romney. Not a chance. The Romney/Ryan ticket has the prize on truth twisting.

By the way, I listened to a list of fact-checking this morning on both President Obama and Governor Romney. That is my source of validation that everything President Obama said was based on documents that can be fact-checked. Much of what Governor Romney said was purposefully misleading and without substance.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:01 pm

10/17/2012

Obama Didn't in 4 years..

1. Create more jobs, still 14 Million out of work

2. Loan money to companies Millions of dollars

four have gone bankrupt, tax papers got the

shaft again !

3. Lied about Libyia..." It was the video"

4. Refuses to open oil fields, no drilling !

MY PREDICTIONS

1. Hillary was told to say she takes the blame, she was

thrown under the bus , I predict she will be forced to

resign to make Pres. Obama look good.

No matter what the Left Democrats say, I don't believe them,

their nastiness on facebook is un-believable...Asas far as Don

Harp is concerned I wouldn't believe anything in hell he says, he

has a very nasty way of talking to me, like I'm stupid, trust me

I'm smarter than he thinks, remember I'm a city boy....

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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:48 pm

Joe, please remember that though a post of yours is answered, the answer is not just for you but for all forum readers. When we know something is not true, we must correct it for the benefit of other readers. You can believe what you wish You will always be a person respected and cared about on this forum even if your ideas and mine are not the same in many political issues.

I can correct every statement you indicated that President Obama said that you thought was not true. He said the truth in each case; however, someone has twisted it to sound like it was not true.

I will let someone else tell the truth in this case because I tend to think most people who want to believe those things you wrote as Obama lies will continue believing them as lies even when the written truth is provided.

The country is moving forward. No, four years was not enough to fix all that the republicans caused in eight - but the stock market is magnificent for those who had anything to invest, jobs were created in private enterprise as republican states were laying off government workers; he did not lie about Libya and that is in written transcript; he did not let Hillary take the fall; and we are drilling more oil than ever before though some of the leases that lay fallow were not renewed without new applications. There's so much more, but those who don't want to see Romney's lies are looking to put the President in the lying league - and he doesn't belong there.

As for Don Harpe. He doesn't need me to defend him. I don't like some of the language he uses and have said so in the past. However, I have been amazed at the defense of women that comes from that man and the clear facts that he has to support his vision of the future of this country. He sees through the conservative smoke and mirrors and tells the truth; I admire him for that. I do not believe he means negative toward you, Joe; he is just passionate about the truth and some of the statements you make are just not true. That doesn't make you a bad person; it just means you need to check your information sources of someone who does check will tell you what is true and what is not.
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:00 pm

Joe,

What do you miss about GWB? I voted for him twice and am`not proud of the wars or the financial collapse his policies led to.

Why would you favor a tax cut for the wealthy?
Why do you think women are not entitled to equal pay for equal work?

Very curious. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE 10/16/212 REVIEWS   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:00 pm

I enjoyed the debate and could not help but laugh during some (a lot) parts of it.

When I watched, I tried to conciously watch with two different "sets" of eyes.

One "set" focused on the general rules for debating, statesmenship, articulation etc, while the other "set" focused on what I believe the "average" American looks for.

I do not want to sound elitist, but in the 20+ years that I have lived here, I have learned that more often than not, a President is not elected because of his or her platform, but rather based on how outlandish and tough he or she seems.

From that viewpoint, I thought that Romney scored points last night. He was more aggressive, pushier and more confrontational.

I find those qualities admirable in a cowboy, an officer of the law (lol) not necessarily in a president... HOWEVER... I am more curious than ever to see the outcome of this election... it is going to be an interesting one.

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