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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Democracy Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:24 am | |
| From Wikepedia: “The history of democracy traces back to Athens to its re-emergence and rise from the 17th century to the present day. According to one definition, democracy is a political system in which all the members of the society have an equal share of formal political power. In modern representative democracy, this formal equality is embodied primarily in the right to vote.”
Regardless of definition, how democracy works varies. Forcing a form of government on any people, in my view, is wrong and doesn’t work. Let’s look at Iraq. I recently asked an Iraqi if life is better today than during the regime of Saddam Hussein. His response was not what I expected. He said that although Saddam was a dictator and ruled harshly, we had security. We had jobs. We had free schooling and medical care. Today it is difficult to survive. Power is in the hands of the rich, and those who are rich take what they want by force. For the rich, they are enjoying their freedom. For the average citizen, we have less and no protection and must struggle to survive. The democratic elected people get their positions by force or paying for the votes so they are in a position to take even more.
Can death and destruction be viewed as democracy? America’s invasion of Iraq was made under a false pretext in that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harboured terrorists. The claims have proven to be false. The perpetrator claims that it would make for a better life for the Iraqis and give them freedom. He further stated the number of Iraqis that died by the hand of Saddam Hussein. How does that compare with the number of Iraqis and Americans that died at the hand of GWB? There are still those who seek revenge for the death of their loved ones. Precision bombing didn’t work. Collateral damage was used to excuse the killing of innocents. That is no consolation to the relatives of those innocents that were killed. Some still seek revenge. A peaceful person may become a terrorist in seeking to revenge the death of a loved one. Delayed action does not mean that retaliation has been forgotten. Time is not a factor with a vow to avenge.
It was the invasion of Iraq that prompted my writing of “They Plotted Revenge against America”. The story is a work of fiction; however it is based on historical facts. The root cause of hate and revenge still exists. When, where or how the next act of terrorism will occur is unknown, but it may happen. Keep in mind that forgiveness is not part of some religions. Old Testament philosophy (Eye for an eye) can be seen in the Mid-Eastern mentality. |
| | | alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:37 am | |
| Do you see the circumstances as limited to Iraq, Abe, or even to the Middle East? It seems to me that we are seeing the same sort of thing happening everywhere, including this country and European democracies like Germany. The concept of democracy is being perverted into an oligarchy just about everywhere. How is the current situation described by your Iraqi friend, as... - Quote :
- Power [being] in the hands of the rich, [with] those who are rich tak[ing] what they want by force. For the rich, they are enjoying their freedom. For the average citizen, we have less and no protection and must struggle to survive. The democratic elected people get their positions by force or paying for the votes so they are in a position to take even more.
...any different from what we are facing right here? Ann |
| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:21 am | |
| No, not limited to Iraq. Forcing ideals on another culture or people doesn't work. The theocracy attempted to be forced on America won't work either. Power (money) is the driving force and we are witness to that. Occupy Wall Street is an attempt to curb that, but is it enough? I may be blind, but I don't see it in Germany. Can you cite an example? |
| | | alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:52 pm | |
| Isn't Germany part of the European Union? Tied to the ECB? http://www.redfortyeight.com/2011/12/09/europe%E2%80%99s-deadly-transition-from-social-democracy-to-oligarchy/ - Quote :
- This is the treadmill on which Eurozone social democracies are now being placed. Under the political umbrella of financial emergency, wages and living standards are to be scaled back and political power shifted from elected government to technocrats governing on behalf of large banks and financial institutions. Public-sector labor is to be privatized – and de-unionized, while Social Security, pension plans and health insurance are scaled back.
This is the basic playbook that corporate raiders follow when they empty out corporate pension plans to pay their financial backers in leveraged buyouts. Just one of many articles indicating that the latest "solutions" to Europe's debt crisis favor the banks over the public. I don't see how Germany is different. Ann |
| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:49 pm | |
| Political rhetoric is simply talk unless/until it affects the people. There are those in the media whose job it is to speculate and/or make predictions, and often their predictions come true because people buy into it. Wall Street is a good example of that. The markets will swing positive or negative on rumors. When policies impact one in a positive or negative manner, it becomes believeable. The impact in Europe from forecasts and/or predictions is not felt in the area where I live. That is not to say that it is not true in some countries. Blanket statements that encompass an entire region is rarely an accurate assessment.
There are multiple political parties in Germany. It is rare for any party to win an election outright. It normally requires a coalition of another party, requiring compromise. Whether the premise of a party is based on social, economic, environmental or other, seldom does any party get all they want.
Since the financial fiasco that started with the US Banks and spread internationally, some countries, (Germany is one in particular) are re-instating tough financial accountability rules. Accountability is providing confidence at the consumer level. Optimism is once again on the rise. There is no blanket solution to the problem nor is there a perfect system, however power in the hands of a few is dangerous. Good government should apply to financial institutions and markets. |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:33 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:37 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:57 pm | |
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| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:31 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:57 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:40 pm | |
| http://www.adl.org/holocaust/theory.asp - Quote :
- Holocaust denial has been widely embraced within the otherwise disparate contemporary hate movement because it serves as an ideological cement that meets a very contemporary political need. In particular, it provides a sanitized envelope for latter-day would-be Hitlers by seeking to show that the heinous crimes ascribed to the original never took place. As such, much of the barrier preventing politicians and movements of the ultra right from making a strategic breakthrough by appealing to a more mainstream audience would be removed. Accordingly, Holocaust denial provides contemporary legitimation through posthumous rehabilitation. It is no accident that David Duke is an avid propagator of Holocaust denial ideology and materials. William Pierce and other neo-Nazis who once embraced the reality of the Holocaust as the essence of the National Socialist mission (only bemoaning the fact that it did not fully succeed in eliminating Jews from the face of the earth) now find it politically expedient to promote Holocaust denial.
The core message of the Holocaust deniers is even more insidious. They recognize the fact that most people believe that the Holocaust actually occurred. How can it be, they ask, that the great majority have come to accept as truth an historical assertion which is in actuality a gigantic falsehood?....... Holocaust denial is a contemporary form of the classic anti-Semitic doctrine of the evil, manipulative and threatening world Jewish conspiracy. It was this doctrine that was instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust. What is on the surface a denial of the reality of genocide is, at its core, an appeal to genocidal hatred http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/zundel.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=zundel . - Quote :
- Ernst Zundel has been a leading Holocaust denier and white supremacist ideologue for more than two decades. He is currently based in Bad Wildbad, Germany after serving five years in German prison for inciting racial hatred.
In the late 1970s he began running Samisdat Publishers, one of the largest distributors of Nazi and neo-Nazi propaganda and memorabilia in the world. He has also been the inspiration for and key content provider of the Zundelsite, since 1995 a leading online repository of Holocaust-denial propaganda.
Zundel’s activities led to numerous trials in Canada, where he lived from 1958 to 2001, and made him subject to arrest when he returned to Germany, his country of birth. Adept at attracting media attention, Zundel apparently relishes his legal battles with what he calls the "Holocaust industry."
Zundel married his Webmaster, Ingrid Rimland, and moved to Tennessee in 2001, only to be deported back to Canada by U.S. officials for visa violations in early 2003 and deported to Germany in March, 2005.
Many far-right groups and Holocaust deniers have united to support Zundel; in April 2004, for instance, an international conference of Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis convened in his honor in Sacramento.
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| | | alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:02 pm | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report - Quote :
- In February 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, director of The Institute for Forensic Research in Kraków conducted a fair experiment where iron compounds were excluded.[6] Given that the ruins of the gas chambers at Birkenau have been washed by a column of water at least 35m in height based on climatological records since 1945,[7]:Introduction Markiewicz and his team were not optimistic at being able to detect cyanides so many years later, nevertheless, having the legal permission to obtain samples (which Leuchter and Rudolf did not), they collected samples from areas as sheltered from the elements as possible.[4]
Leuchter's report states that the small amounts of cyanide he detected in the ruins of the crematoria are merely the result of fumigation. However the IFRC points out that the controlled samples they took from living areas which may have been fumigated only once as part of the 1942 typhus epidemic tested negative for cyanide, and that the typhus epidemic occurred before the crematoria at Birkenau even existed.[7]:Final Remarks
The ruins of the Crematorium II gas chamber at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Accordingly, the IFRC demonstrated that cyanides were present in all of the facilities where it is claimed that they were exposed, i.e. all five crematoria, the cellars of Block 11 and the delousing facilities.[4] Critics state that any attempt to demonstrate that the crematoria could not have functioned as homicidal gas chambers on the basis that they were not exposed to cyanide is unsuccessful, given that its presence in what remains of these facilities is incontrovertible,[5] and write that all of the gas chambers were exposed to cyanide at levels higher than background levels elsewhere in the camp, such as living areas, where no cyanides at all were detected.[4] In addition, tests conducted at Auschwitz in 1945 revealed the presence of cyanides on ventilation grilles found in the ruins of Crematorium II (thus also demonstrating that the Leuchter report was not the first forensic examination of the camp as purported in the title of the London edition).[5] Due to Leuchter's ignorance of the large disparity between the amounts of cyanide necessary to kill humans and lice, instead of disproving the homicidal use of gas chambers, the small amounts of cyanide which Leuchter detected actually tended to confirm it.[8] [edit]Other criticisms By order of Heinrich Himmler, the crematoria and gas chambers at Birkenau were destroyed in order to hide evidence of genocide.[9] Nothing more than the bases of Crematoria IV and V can be seen: the floor plans of both facilities are indicated by bricks laid out across the concrete foundations,[10] and Crematoria II and III are in ruins. Professor Robert Jan van Pelt labels Leuchter's comment that the facilities have not changed at all since 1942 or 1941 as "nonsense".[3] |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:06 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:30 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Democracy Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:00 am | |
| The many vs the one or few? http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271 COMBATING HOLOCAUST DENIAL: EVIDENCE OF THE HOLOCAUST PRESENTED AT NUREMBERG: - Quote :
- .....But the Nuremberg trial did more than just try leading Nazi officials in government, the armed forces, and the economy. Its lasting legacy included the deliberate assembly of a public record of the horrific crimes, including those of the Holocaust, committed by the Germans and their collaborators during World War II
The American prosecutors at Nuremberg decided the best evidence against Nazi war criminals was the record left by the Nazi German state itself. They wanted to convict Nazi war criminals with their own words. ....beginning in 1958, the United States National Archives, in collaboration with the American Historical Association, published 62 volumes of finding aids to the records captured by the U.S. military at the end of the war. More than 30 further volumes were published before the end of the 20th century
....Millions of documents were captured at various locations, including records of the German Army High Command records; files from Krupp, Henschel, and other German industrial concerns; Luftwaffe (German air force) material; and records kept by Heinrich Himmler (the Chief of the German Police and Reich Leader of the SS), the German Foreign Office, and many others.
During the Nuremberg trial, Nazi Germany's dedicated filming of itself was also turned into evidence of its crimes. From the earliest beginnings of the Nazi Party in the 1920s, through the military invasions of World War II and graphic depictions of atrocities, German photographers and camera crews recorded (often proudly) what they accomplished in pursuit of their ideology. Toward the end of the war, teams of Allied military personnel worked tirelessly to locate, collect, and categorize this photographic and film record.
...German soldiers and police took numerous photographs and film footage of German operations against Jews and other civilians. They documented the public humiliation of Jews, their deportation, mass murder, and confinement in concentration camps. This became powerful visual evidence of Nazi war crimes submitted at Nuremberg. ...
Eyewitness testimony from both perpetrators and survivors laid the foundation for much of what we know about the Holocaust, including details of the Auschwitz death machinery, atrocities committed by the Einsatzgruppen and other SS and police units, the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto, and the original statistical estimate of six million murdered Jews....
Three key perpetrators gave evidence directly related to the Holocaust: Hermann Göring, the highest official of the Nazi state tried at Nuremberg, testified openly and frankly about the persecution of German Jews from the rise of the Nazi party to power in 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939; Otto Ohlendorf testified directly about his unit, Einsatzgruppe D, killing 90,000 Jews in the southern Ukraine in 1941; and the commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, testified frankly about the gassing of more than a million Jews at the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing center during the war. All three claimed that they carried out the legitimate orders of the state.
Taken together, the documents, photographs, film, and perpetrator and survivor testimony at postwar trials provided an inescapable and undeniable documentation of the Holocaust. |
| | | Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Democracy Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:17 am | |
| It is generally accepted on the Internet that using the holocaust as a means to win an argument in a discussion thread actually loses the argument.
Abe started a discussion about present day democracy. Domenic goes back to the holocaust to discuss democracy. Then he says that he's not on either side. So why enter the discussion? Why bring up links to papers that are inconclusive? What's your game, Domenic? Why all the irrelevant copying and pasting? |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:24 am | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Democracy Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:22 pm | |
| I don't have a problem with democracy. If I remember correctly the mother of all parliaments started around here somewhere.
Disproving the holocaust is on a par with disproving that man walked on the moon and proving that aliens created crop circles. The only way to prove/disprove anything beyond any shadow of doubt is to set up an experiment and look at the results. So, when they install gas chambers into the old concentration camps and suffocate thousands of "human guinea pigs" and then wait sixty years to test the area set up for experimentation, and find results that differ from the ones experts are finding now, then I will agree that the holocaust probably didn't happen. I won't hold my breath. Pun intended. |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:58 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Democracy Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:22 pm | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter - Quote :
- Leuchter's] study for Zündel's trial is referred to as the Leuchter report after it was published by Zündel as such[1][4] and is often framed as a scientifically based work of Holocaust denial, though his research methods and findings have been refuted
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| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Democracy Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:57 am | |
| Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process. |
| | | Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Democracy Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:32 am | |
| - Domenic Pappalardo wrote:
- It makes sense to me.
I rest my case. |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: Democracy Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:33 pm | |
| You are correct Abe. I should not have posted on your thread. I will not make the same mistake twice.
Thanks Shelagh. I didn't intend to respond to the posts as it was off subject. If someone wants to discuss the holocaust, they should start a new thread. First define holocaust and then include the many around the world. Seems people want to associate it with just one concerning Jews. It is not a win-win discussion.
Democracy that began in Greece has changed and was adapted to suit. Is the American form of democracy better than the British? One can argue the merits of one system over another, however there is no perfect system. Being flexible and willing to change what doesn't work or is outdated is progressive thinking. We experience progressive change in the business environment, yet we want to hold onto antiquated ideas. There is an old adage that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." On the other hand, if it is broke, fix it. In my view, one thing that needs fixing is our election process.
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| | | alice Five Star Member
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| Subject: Re: Democracy Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:12 pm | |
| ???????? What's the beef? |
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