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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:46 am | |
| http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jan/05/huckleberry-finn-edition-censors-n-word What do you think? |
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Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:33 am | |
| It seems to me that political correctness is not so much about the objection to certain words but more about exercising power. Words themselves are meaningless if you do not understand the language. Young children will use swear words if they hear them in exactly the same way they repeat any other word -- to increase their vocabulary. It is the reaction to certain words that teaches them the strengths of those words. As they become readers, they can decide for themselves how much they are moved emotionally by certain words.
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alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:02 am | |
| I think we should leave Mark Twain alone. He wrote in a different age. Every one knows what the word is so just let it be. Leave it in the book too. Times do change and we shouldn't judge people years ago by people's standards now.
Teachers can explain it.
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:12 am | |
| Books like Huckelberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird have the power to change the way a reader thinks and believes, just through the experience of reading them. Change the words, you reduce the horror of what happened and reduce the effectiveness of the material in changing society.
Ann |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:10 pm | |
| "Alabama publisher says expurgation of more than 200 'hurtful epithets' will counter 'pre-emptive censorship' that has seen Mark Twain's classic dropped from curricula"
The bolded is the real reason. If the book isn't selling, and the language is the reason, well, they need to do what it takes to sell it whether it destroys the integrity of the book or not. If no one is exposed to it to read it anymore, what does its historical integrity matter? |
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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:09 pm | |
| Many commentators are ignoring the reason given by the publisher and concentrating instead on their concern that exposure to racial epithets as routine language used by fictional role models will wrongfully influence our children. I read both books as a child and was not so influenced, I believe. |
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LC Five Star Member
Number of posts : 5044 Registration date : 2009-03-28
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| Funny that rappers use that word -their music is largely nothing but filthy words strung together- and no one seems to have a problem with it. The $$$ they roll in proves that. Meaning that people think it's golden. The NAACP is occupied with important issues like calling Hallmark cards that reference "black holes" as part of as astronomy motif as racist. LOL. Well, not my problem, and I don't care. I never expected the school to be 100% of my kids' education; I figured if it could provide at least 80%, I'd fill in the rest. |
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Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:49 pm | |
| Here is a list of banned books in the US. Mark Twain will not suffer much. Love, Betty Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner Blubber by Judy Blume Brave New World by Aldous Huxley Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson Canterbury Tales by Chaucer Carrie by Stephen King Catch-22 by Joseph Heller Christine by Stephen King Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau Cujo by Stephen King Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller Decameron by Boccaccio East of Eden by John Steinbeck Fallen Angels by Walter Myers Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes Forever by Judy Blume Grendel by John Champlin Gardner Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling Have to Go by Robert Munsch Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou Impressions edited by Jack Booth In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm Lord of the Flies by William Golding Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein Lysistrata by Aristophanes More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier My House by Nikki Giovanni My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara Night Chills by Dean Koontz Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez Ordinary People by Judith Guest Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz Separate Peace by John Knowles Silas Marner by George Eliot Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain The Bastard by John Jakes The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier The Color Purple by Alice Walker The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks The Living Bible by William C. Bower The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman The Pigman by Paul Zindel The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders The Shining by Stephen King The Witches by Roald Dahl The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth Love,Betty |
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Al Stevens Five Star Member
Number of posts : 1727 Registration date : 2010-05-11 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:02 am | |
| Here's another sanitized classic: http://www.amazon.com/N-word-Narcissus-Joseph-Conrad/dp/9076660115 When this autobiography was published, author Dick Gregory said he didn't want anyone asking in bookstores for the book, "Colored Guy." http://www.amazon.com/Nigger-Autobiography-Dick-Gregory/dp/0671735608/ |
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alj Five Star Member
Number of posts : 9633 Registration date : 2008-12-05 Age : 80 Location : San Antonio
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:31 am | |
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dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: Publishers to censor Mark Twain Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:37 am | |
| Literature is written at a specific time and reflects that time. As a teacher of literature, I expect to use books that are in the hand as originally written unless, of course, they need translation. Even translators put their brand on a work. If the original author changes a work, so be it. If the rights to change it have been passed on, losing the original of a great classic is not my choice.
I used to attend a full gospel church service that was like a college education. The very well educated minister took each passage of the bible used and presented every possible translation within reason from the original texts to the present. It made for a dull Sunday morning, but certainly an enlightening one.
I love the book, The Little Prince, that I first read in the original French. Later, I read a translated copy that still kept the beauty of the poetic language. Recently, the original translation is disappearing for a more modern translation. The poetry is gone. I hold dearly to my worn original French and English translations. |
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