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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:02 am

The last time Lyn's parents were in Texas we went to the Holocaust Museum in Houston. Lyn's dad's family were Jewish, from Russia. He still had relatives there during the war. I know what you mean about the silence, Carol. We were the same way, but, like those kids, we were very, very glad we had gone.

Not all southern communities were as closed as some of the descriptions here. My home town was the first school district in Texas to comply with the integration laws, and did so without incident - even cracked several uneasy (at first) jokes with the new parents and business people in the stadium during those first football games. (A talented young black running back named Patrick was quickly dubbed "The Irishman," for instance. That drew laughter on all sides.)

A few problems came up during the first years, but they were generally minor and were handled with diplomacy. Perhaps part of the reason was that we were a diverse community by that time, having a high percentage of "northern implants." I'm not saying there was no bigotry, but there were many people on both sides who chose to accept the situation and put the school children's needs first. The Chamber of Commerce had opened its doors several years earlier, and the community had a strong leadership that was committed to doing the right thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:04 am

Why would there be a Holocaust museum in HOUSTON?
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:06 am

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Why would there be a Holocaust museum in HOUSTON?

Here's the simplest explanation:

http://www.hmh.org/

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:10 am

Well, I don't see much explanation there. I guess you could do it anywhere. Set up a civil war museum in Berlin. Whatever.
Just seems odd.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:19 am

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Holocaust Museum Houston is dedicated to educating people about the Holocaust, remembering the 6 million Jews and other innocent victims and honoring the survivors' legacy.Using the lessons of the Holocaust and other genocides, we teach the dangers of hatred, prejudice and apathy.

Stop hate; stop ignorance; stop apathy.
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Doesn't seem that odd to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:42 am

"Here". Okay. So why don't they have one in every city in the world? Why isn't there a slavery museum in Peking and a racial cleansing museum in Canberra?

I'm just saying it seems kind of odd to build a museum in a place that had nothing to do with the events. Not something you normally see.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:47 am

There's another in D.C. that I know of.

Maybe there ought to be more?

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:49 am

And those that died were not all Jews, but people from many countries and many ways of life.

It was interesting also to read about the Civil War in Missouri, a border state, and find those who were on the side of the bushwhackers. Very interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:50 am

Not for my money. I'm sick of hearing about it.

I just think it's weird to toss up museums in places with no connection to the area or events being depicted.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:52 am

Well, I think it's more a factor of having a large concentration of people in that area who want to see a memorial, and have the means and clout to get it built. If enough people in Canberra or Peking wanted to have memorials to their issues, and had the money to do so, it would be done.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:11 pm

Yeah, that's the way it works, I guess.
But I can't think of many other examples of this. Maybe somebody else can
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:49 pm

I just finished re-watching one of my favorite films, Ang Lee's Ride with the Devil, about the Civil War in Missouri. It presents an intriguing picture, I think, of the complexity of the times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0dpuKULBQo

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:33 pm

4/18/2010


It's very interesting about WW 11, my Mother
had a cousin who was caught by the nazi's , American
soldier, he spent four years in a concentration camp. I
remember in the late 1960's I worked for a company in
New York owned by German Jews, there was a an American
Jewish lady who worked in the same office, well, when she
found out my background was German, she wouldn't leave me alone, claiming my people killed her people, until finally
I let go and told her my people came to this country to New
York in 1886 , so my family had nothing to do with it and my
grandfather would have been put in a concentratiom camp
because he was dark hair and dark eyes, he wasn't like my
grandmother white blonde and green eyes, then I told her
it's people like you who give your race a bad name. I have
never forgot that confrontation. People forget that there
was so many people , Preists, Nuns, retarded, gay, Jews,
you name it, if the Nazi's came up with a new group off they
went to a camp........If I was around then, the Nazi's would
have shot me for my big mouth, I wouldn't tolerate seeing
people being abused like what they did..

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:35 am

Ann,

I love that movie. I discussed it with some people from Lexington where parts took place, and they weren't too thrilled with it. I thought it was a great movie, and from all I have read depicted life at that time with accuracy.

And who knows, some of those people could have been our ancestors.

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:47 am

I guess I could see why some people from Lexington might not be too thrilled. The movie could give you the sense that all Missourians were "border ruffians" from one side or another. I noticed that very few of the southern "aristocrats" could read or write. It backed up the statement, which I loved, by Sue Lee's father-in-law, about the importance of education in the north, as well as giving Jake a place within the group he rode with.

It was a two-hour film, and was limited by that, but, like you said, it caught the guerrillas' life quite well, showing that there were no easy choices, and that people are often changed by their experiences.

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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:13 am

In checking this thread, I was pleased to read remarks by Ann and Carol.

Since there is so much in the news about the Confederate flag and discussions on FB, I couldn't help but think about it and wondered what image it had when people saw the flag.  For me, when I see the Confederate Flag I think Civil war and
Slavery.  I know that the civil war didn't start over slavery, but became an issue at a later date.  The Confederate Flag is a symbol just as is the Stars and Stripes is a symbol of the "United" States of America.  In my view, a patriot would fly the Stars and Stripes and not the Confederate Flag.
Perceptions are important and any symbol that represents something bad can't be good.  What would one think if people were to fly the Nazi Flag with the Swastika on it?  In Germany it is forbidden to display such a symbol.  It seems to me that there are those who want to keep the separatist memory alive that includes the memory of slavery.  

I agree with Obama when he said that the Flag belongs in a museum.  It is part of our history and will not be forgotten, but it belongs in a museum.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:04 pm

Very well said, Abe.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:08 am

On 2 June 1865 the Civil War ended when Confederate General Edmund Kirby Smith, commander of Confederate forces west of the Mississippi, signs the surrender terms offered by Union negotiators.  The Confederacy was defeated at the total cost of 620,000 Union and Confederate dead. That was 150 years ago and it was that date that the Confederate Flag should have ceased to be flown.  Remembering it from an historical standpoint is proper.  Continuing to fly it is simply wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Should the South be ashamed of its Confederate history?   Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:51 pm

I've heard some nasty comments from people feeling free to damn the south again for its Civil War history.  I guess I should hang my head in shame since my great great and maybe three greats (I'm not sure) was a Confederate hero.  I am instead proud of his bravery in a war he did not start but believed he was serving for the right cause.  The "South" of the Civil War was already raped and pillaged sufficiently that it never rose economically again to its previous glory and the southern states continue to rank lower than their northern cousins in income, education, health care, wages and more.  That's their legacy from a war today's citizens of the south did not fight.

Some southerners choose to carry on the war, the last vestige of their pride held in a flag and hatreds long overdue for ending.  I think the south will benefit by dropping that symbol of slavery and war - and if the stars and stripes is a symbol of union victory - then how about lets create a new flag that is neither victory nor loss but rather a flag of a refreshed union without bigotry, misogyny, prejudice and religious intervention into persons of other faiths and non-faiths.
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