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PostSubject: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 7:32 am

Quote :
No man is
an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece
of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away
by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy
friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for
whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
John Donne, Meditation 17, (1624 AD)


The arguments we've been having on such things as health care, housing, and immigration have me thinking about this old sermon. Above is the familiar part. The rest is very good, too:

http://www.online-literature.com/donne/409/

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 7:45 am

Very true, Ann.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 9:34 am

Yes Ann it sound as Hemingway's code. When he was wouded in his boat shot by the gangster he said to himself, " A man alone, cannot .. and something else what I cannot remember . Anyway isn't the idea the same "No ma is an Island?
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 10:42 am

Yes, I think so. He name a book about the Spanish Civil War, For Whom the Bell Tolls. (...therefore never send to know for
whom the [death] bell tolls; it tolls for
thee.), about a man who gave his life for someone else's cause.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 11:32 am

Hemingway killed himself. You don't get much more alone than that.
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 11:56 am

By account of Lillian Ross. " there has been a great deal of speculation in the thirty eith years about the nature of Hemingway's dead. Mary Hemingway said it was an accident,and I believe her."
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 12:14 pm

Good post Ann.
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 7:16 pm

I do believe genius to be a lone thing. All minds are lone and the quest is to communicate to be less alone. What a writer does is communicate with their own brain, first.

Not so much for a connection to other people, but just to express what is in the writer's mind, put it down and look at what seems to be inadequate words, and say, yes, that is close to it, that is close to what is in my head. That is the reason to take the time to put it down....to look at it and say that almost expresses my idea....there it is in the best words I can select.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 8:36 pm

Some people are an Island...who do you tell your secrets to?...you, and you alone.
I am an Island; John Donne held fast to the trees along the shore, fearing death. He did not understand who he was. John Donne was in error.
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 8:44 pm

How about Paul Simon?
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyThu Mar 25, 2010 4:09 am

It's true, Paul Simon took a different perspective of the same metaphor.


Quote :
I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

http://www.lyricstime.com/paul-simon-i-am-a-rock-lyrics.html

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyThu Mar 25, 2010 4:12 am

domenic Pappalardo wrote:
Some people are an Island...who do you tell your secrets to?...you, and you alone.
I am an Island; John Donne held fast to the trees along the shore, fearing death. He did not understand who he was. John Donne was in error.

Same song, another verse?

Quote :
I have my books

And my poetry to protect me;

I am shielded in my armor,

Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.

I touch no one and no one touches me.

I am a rock,

I am an island.




And a rock feels no pain;

And an island never cries

I guess it's your choice which perspective you take.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySat Mar 27, 2010 5:31 pm

Dear Domenic,
As far as ideas go, we are all islands, complete unto ourselves. Our brains think our own thoughts. Writers try to relate those thoughts in expressions others can read and see.

But, as far as inclusion in the human experience, not a single one of us stands alone. We are all part of the whole of mankind because we live on this earth. As small a unit as mankind is in relation to the whole of space, on this earth we are each connected by our human-ness. It means something, I think.

No, Donne was right. we are not islands, except in our own thought.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySat Mar 27, 2010 7:01 pm

Betty Fasig wrote:
Dear Domenic,
As far as ideas go, we are all islands, complete unto ourselves. Our brains think our own thoughts. Writers try to relate those thoughts in expressions others can read and see.

But, as far as inclusion in the human experience, not a single one of us stands alone. We are all part of the whole of mankind because we live on this earth. As small a unit as mankind is in relation to the whole of space, on this earth we are each connected by our human-ness. It means something, I think.

No, Donne was right. we are not islands, except in our own thought.

Love,
Betty

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySat Mar 27, 2010 10:51 pm

Betty,
we all have our take on the mysteries of life. I find your views make good sense. You are a person of nature. Your writings reflect that. People who work with plants are in tune with nature. It icenters on life and the source.
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySun Mar 28, 2010 5:25 am

Campbell would recognize our Betty as a true hero - one who survives a dangerous childhood - "thrown inward to [her] own depths ..."fostered in the animal school," where she "learned the lesson of the seed Powers." - literally.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySun Mar 28, 2010 9:44 am

Hi Ann
My dream......

I'm the only man on the island
The only man on the island
To a hundred and fifty native girls
I'm the King of the Coral Sea

When my sailboat sank in the ocean
How quick they came to my rescue
They haven't had a man to hula for
Since nineteen-forty-three

Oh-oh-oh, it's nice, livin' in a tropical paradise
They cook me all kinds of food
And pour sweet wime in my cup
So if I'm dreamin', I don't wanna wake up

Well, hey number one girl, wave that fan
Hey number two girl, hold my hand
Hey number three girl, kiss me sweet
Hey number four girl, rub my feet

Hey number five girl, bake some pies
Hey number six girl, swat them flies
Hey number seven girl, sweep the shack
Hey number eight girl, scratch my back

I'm the only man on the island
The only man on the island
There's a hundred and fifty girls to love
Underneath the coconut tree

And the only man on the island is me
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySun Mar 28, 2010 11:41 am

Enjoy yourself, Llew.

That wasn't quite the image I had in mind, but it's your dream - go for it.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptySun Mar 28, 2010 12:02 pm

Hi Ann
I do realise I was off topic but couldn't resist it. No Man is an Island 892798
It's the devil in me..... cyclops
The devil made me do it. I tell yah! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Jun 15, 2011 4:46 am

No matter traveling to east or to west, the movable lifestyle is very lonesome, and your felt being like a island.
I have kept some diary of my journey entering into it the state of mind, and here a piece of it
on journey for Greek.


It’s Saturday morning October and I am sitting in a bar near the waterfront in a coastal village near the Greek city named Volov. The sea seems be calm as oil and I could see a tug going in distance towards the opening in the horizon.
I have ordered a small USO and coffee and now just sit in the empty restaurant. The tables are covered with white clothes and the staff in this place seems be rather old.
Beneath the overcasting sky, the grey colour water of the gulf lies immobile between up reached mountains tops, and all that I could seen through the large windows.

Three months have past since I left Finland for nowhere for I didn’t have real destination, just wanted to runaway from the oncoming winter,and I have been cross first the Baltian, then countries like Poland, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria.
The climes seem be here not so hard for the temperature have altered between 12-20 c and sun have been out almost every day, still those hotels on the waterfront remain empty and beaches deserted and if you would enter some of those bars, you will find a empty place whit all those tables in good order but no one in sight, and even if there could be some to comes he or she remain ignore of you present.
I remember when I crossed the border between Slovakia and Poland and was wondering the totally change of the outlook of the people aside the road and in those villages. They were not any-more blondes, they were mainly dark.
The road which lead through those decayed villages and the houses standing close the roadside so that there is no room to parking, and all free paces are occupied by parking cars and crown by gypsies who aimlessly roll along the roadside, in addition you could see their horses and carts coming without warning on the road and all the time behind you – there are queue of cars, waiting patiently to occasion to take over. No, this not all, after all that there are the mountains, the height Tatra, a part of the Carpathians mountains which run from the west to eastward through the Eastern Europe.
When you have clearness the serpent road on lopes you come on a seaside hopping find something new but familiar – and find at last nothing.


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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Jun 15, 2011 5:04 am

Powerful description, Harry. It's almost like being there.

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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Jun 15, 2011 7:15 am

Very good Harry.
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Jun 15, 2011 7:30 am

Thank your very much
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyWed Jun 15, 2011 5:34 pm

Dear Harry,
I am always glad to read your words. Your spirit is like a deep water.
I am glad you write your adventures and share them with us.

Love,
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PostSubject: Re: No Man is an Island   No Man is an Island EmptyThu Jun 16, 2011 7:25 am

Betty! Thanks so much, You words made me feel young once again.
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