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PostSubject: POD or self   Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:26 pm

What is the consensus about this quandry? What is the best way to go?
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:41 am

I don't understand the question. Self publishers such as Lulu use POD technology. So do many other publishers. Even some of the big mainline trade publishers now use it for specific purposes.
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:39 am

There is no quandry. These are not inimical terms.
POD refers to a printing technology based on toner, not ink. Think of it as high speed Xerox machines running files off software.

You can publish yourself with POD. Lulu.com is one route. So are many of the "vanity" presses (the ones where you don't have to buy a stack of books, just pay big bucks to do what you can do free yourself)
Another is to go directly to LightningSource, set up an account and have them print and distribute your books.
Or you can get hold of a printer and order some books printed.

Conversely, you can get a contract with BeWrite or Samhain or Whiskley Creek or one of the smaller new publishers. Or Kensington imprints like Rebel Base or, increasingly, many big house imprints and they will produce the book using POD methods.

You might find these blog entries helpful:

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:02 am

Self-publishing has also been used to refer to the practice in which an author starts his/her own publishing company ostensibly as a means of publishing only his/her books.

Some business gurus say this is a risky thing to do while others have found this a workable alternative.

Personally, I wouldn't do it because forming a business requires having a business license in most towns; that means paying an annual fee and, quite often, a small percentage of income. I don't want those expenses or the more complicated tax returns required for a company.

Some folks say not to do this because it will be seen as a ruse by those who advocate the mainstream route. That is, they say forming a company, say, Malcolm Campbell Publishing or North Georgia Publishing, doesn't obscure the fact that the end result is similar to vanity publishing.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:07 am

Well, yeah, any time you publish using any media you've just strated a publishing business. That's the whole idea.

And why "not to do it" because of what some advocate of anything else thinks is a peculiar concept to me.

Generally people become publishers for one of two reasons:
To make money or to make their work available for people to read. Or some combination of both.

If you're making money with a book, who cares what some "ruse spotter" says. What "ruse" is involved in making something and selling it?

If you want people to read your work, do you care if somebody calls it "vanity"?

It's actually inbetween the poles of publishing your own work (be it by a printer, copy shop, lulu, LSI) and a contract with a publisher that the danger lies.
And people end up in the hands of PA or xLibris or even worse scams.

It's like anything else in a way: figure out what you want, study the setup long enough to figure out how to do it with the least messups possible, then take your shot. What other people think about it makes no difference. Unless you care what other people think... which actuall IS vanity.


But the answer to the quesiton of this thread is: they aren't mutually exclusive choices. Which means Richard should do some more investigation of the field. Hopefully we can be of some help with that.
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:58 am

Lin,
perhaps a series of buttons would do the trick.

Press this for Vanity
Press this for Self-publish
Press this for Traditional publishing
Press this for Agents
Press this to self-destruct
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:03 am

LOL

And they all click to the same page, right?
Probably says "Enter your secret name and code number, click and wait."
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:05 am

... and the background music is?

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:31 am

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:48 am

I know just what you mean, Merri.
I never bothered with ISBN, but I've hand-made thousands of books and think it's kind of cool.

(Rencently I've been relying more on printshops. I've had the last few bunches stapled becuase they were such large lots.

But same idea.

Are we the only ones her actually making our own books?
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:49 am

Quote :
and the background music is?

The Who "Won't Get Fooled Again"

Sinatra "IDid It My Way"
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:38 pm

Wow! I'm so impressed by Merri and Lin creating/publishing their own books. While I might tackle a lot of things in life, I doubt I'd ever try to do that. Amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:35 pm

Just so Brenda will be impressed, I must say I also did that with one local sports book. Have a gadget that punches the holes and then you use it to put everything together in a plastic binder. It works well and was a practical way to produce something for a small audience. Then Lulu came along, the result was far nicer and life became easier.
With another local sports book that covered football at a dozen high schools from 1892 through 1999, one of the schools had a class that did all the production work. It was pretty good, but couldn't compare to what Lulu did with the same material.
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:26 pm

I guess that I was wondering about the marketing and distribution aspect of it. Like, how do you get the book listed with Amazon and other distributers so that they can sell the book for me and I wont have to take orders on my website, then run down to the post office and mail every one of them.
I didnt know if the POD thing would work where a seller would be responsible for taking the orders, and then sending that they would do the mailing out the books, and sending me a check every once in a while for my cut. I guess that Ive got a lot to learn in this business. Signed, babe in the woods???
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:36 am

When I self-published my books for schools back in the 1980s and 1990s, a printer did two of them that were not too long with staples in the middle. Another was a workbook in a binder where I had the pages copied at Kinkos. Another manual was printed and bound with spiral binding at Kinkos. I think it came to the point one could send work electronically to Kinkos and they would deliver, but I always liked going there in person to make sure it was correct. Now you never see people in person!

Now an organization has one publication printed per a contract. I have no idea what it looks like, how they have it printed etc. I just get some royalties each year, not big mind you, but I am reporting them to our accountant.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:03 am

If you print through LSI your book will automatically be sold thorugh amazon, and pretty much every online book source. (This would require an ISBN)
You make more selling them yourself.

If you print them yourself and don't want to fulfill your orders, there are places that do that for your for a fee. Some printers provide warehousing and fulfillment services.

Again, I'd suggest you investigate the links in the article I posted earlier.
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:03 am

Kewl lin, I will do that. I must have missed them. I wish that I could find my glasses!
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:19 am

There is an ebook on smashwords.com, Self Pub Vol II. Voi I is the bible on self-pub.. Vol II continues with the latest technology and net marketing. If you read the free 10% you'll be hard pressed not to order it. $7.95 I think.

The only way around the albatross of self-pub is not to look self-pubbed. form your own pub company. get a web site. do it right. but whatever you do, do not let the like of lulu, infinity, iunivers, Author House (the worst) and especially xlibris, put their name on your book.

Anyone interested in the details, PM me.Addresses are in my profile. There is a way to beat 'em. Keep it in perspective. Publishers need authors. How did they ever convince us otherwise?

Pot's on..... KAWFEEE
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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:43 am

That is true, Marie. I have experience with starting a company and changing its form several times, as well as being a self-publisher of several books for schools.

When I published my book on lulu, I indicated a fictional publisher. That publisher gets mail at my house, although I neither registered it nor gave it an address.

The problems become those with ISBNs and marketing. But anything I self-publish, if I do so again, will have that name on it.

Thanks KAWFEE.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:36 am

I think all but the most determined entrepreneurs are going to find that starting a company JUST to publish their own books is going to be a lot more hassle than going via Lulu with a personal imprint. For one thing, as others have said, you'll have taxes to worry about that you don't otherwise have to pay, beginning with a local business license and the yearly fee based on income that includes.

If, as some have here, you plan to publish other authors' works, you'll get past the fact that most people see a private publishing company has just a ruse. Calling myself Campbell Publishing Company doesn't change the fact that I self published my own book. Professionals, and that includes reviewers and newspapers, will see through that in an instant.

It would be better to start with other people's books and insist on quality--editing, proofreading, submission standards, binding, art--that keeps the books from looking amateurish. Then move on an include your own stuff once you have a brand that people are already taking seriously.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:51 am

Malcolm,

Good two cents. I hadn't thought of that.

I will use the "imprint" again. Professionals will see through the ruse, but it will get my book in local bookstores, which already carry my books, and many readers, who don't pay that much attention will still read the book.

It is a middle road between having "lulu" on the book, an unmentionable publisher, and a small press. Anything is experience and learning.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:39 pm

Carol,

If you print with Lulu and use an imprint, the book is still non-returnable. So how are you getting it in the stores? On consignment?

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:40 pm

On consignment. These are small bookstores in small towns, one a coffee house.

It would be nice to be in other bookstores, returnable, from Ingram.

I can dream.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:24 pm

That's my kind of dream, Carol.

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PostSubject: Re: POD or self   Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:05 pm

Just came home with 1000 books I had printed up.  Computer files to finished books in two days without having to do anything.   It's great.All I had to do was lug two big boxes of heavy books across town, then on a ferryboat to the island I live, then in a Japanese car taxi, then up three flights to my house.Oy.But now I'm set for this season, unless I can get the distributors I want, in which case it'll be a lot more work and I'll be a happier man.
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