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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyMon Apr 08, 2019 3:41 pm

Late this evening, Parliament passed a law to force Mrs. May to ask for an extension for a period of MP's choosing. Earlier today, a group of Tory MPs met with the Prime Minister and asked her to step down. They explained that this weekend had seen a rebellion from grassroots Tory members that was damaging the party. Mrs. May sat stony faced throughout and showed no willingness to agree to the request. She has suffered the biggest defeat in UK political history, been found in contempt of parliament, been forced to allow parliament to set the business of the day in the House of Commons, and is a liability to her party. But she won't go.
The UK is not showing any signs of additional stress or strain from Brexit, but is showing a great deal of concern because of knife crime and the detrimental effects of the Internet among young people. Conversely, our government is in complete disarray and parliament is totally chaotic. Normality has been replaced by abnormality and no one knows what will happen next. Those who wish to overturn the referendum think that everything will settle down if Article 50 is revoked and the UK remains in the EU. Since nothing will change to make peolple's lives better if we remain, the discontent among voters who were denied their democratic rights will fester and grow. Just as knife crime on our streets has increased, so too will violent demonstrations. The political classes don't care. We live in turbulent times.

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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyMon Apr 08, 2019 11:09 pm

Thank you for the summary of the “chaos” you described.  From the outside looking in, that is the sense one gets.  It is difficult to understand how the PM can expect to be taken seriously in Brussels when she doesn’t have the full support of her own government.  Getting an extension to the deadline this week, if achieved, won’t change the problems she faces at home.  Instead of flexibility, I suspect that the lines already drawn will be hardened.    The impression I get from news sources and from people on the street is one of confusion.  Expressions such as “If they don’t want to belong, let them go.”  “We need a united Europe and the UK is a strategic partner.” Then there is the confusion and concern about trade.  Will products produced (spare parts) in the UK be hindered and affect assembly production?  Will needed pharmaceuticals produced in the UK be available – the concern my wife has with her special prescription drugs?  As is usual, when one is personally affected, the situation becomes more important and affects public opinion. 
While the drama plays out in the UK, the US is having its own drama with Trump and his policies that affect a wide-range of concerns including the environment, trade (tariffs) and immigration.  The upcoming elections will be interesting to be sure.     
I am encouraged by the young people who are stepping up and making their voices heard.  Demonstrations throughout Europe are getting attention.  President Obama made an appearance in Berlin to a group of young people providing encouragement.  One comment he made left a strong impression.  “Don’t let your grandparents decide what future you will have.”
I predict that the young voter will have an impact on the next election.  Integrity is an important part of their mindset.  There is hope for the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 09, 2019 4:08 am

As a grandparent, you should know that it is the groundwork set by our elders that determines our future. Obama listens to, and is greatly influenced by, his daughters. Yes, they are the future, but there is a tendency to regression when young people are allowed to reinvent the wheel in order to learn about things that are already known.

Liberals think of themselves as progressive, when many of the things they do simply break conventional wisdow and prove to be regressive. Abortion used to be a choice of last resort, now it is used as a means of family planning, where new life is destroyed at whim. One in three marriages end in divorce. Marriage is for everyone not just a husband and a wife. Men dress as women and think they are women, just as women dressed as men think they are men. Intersex athletes with a known medical condition that makes them neither strictly male nor female want to compete as female athletes, which could lead to women's sports being dominated by men. These few examples I have given are but the tip of the iceberg, as society changes itself in ways that previous generations fought to prevent.

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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 09, 2019 7:57 am

I obviously touched a raw nerve.  I consider myself a liberal with qualification.  Critical thinking is part of my liberal beliefs.  Traditional indoctrination was taught in the home.  Some of that indoctrination included religion that was to be accepted without question instilling fear of damnation (hell) for deviating from the established dogma.  Traditional values of integrity defined one’s character.  I don’t think that there is any definition/label that embrace both conservative and liberal thinking.  We are all unique.  Our opinions are formed from experience and exposure. We tend to gravitate to people of like-minds.  The cliché, “birds of a feather flock together” seems valid.  Learning is a never-ending pursuit.  We are constantly challenged with innovations that can be frustrating as well as enlightening.   Technological advances have changed the way we live and how we interact with others.  I miss the one-on-one interaction.  Input without the visual body language or the ability to clarify statements as they occur can cause misunderstanding and resentments.  Religion and politics continue to create problems even within the family unit.  Refusing to discuss sensitive subjects will not make them disappear.  There was no such thing as being “politically correct” in the days of my youth.  Acting or reacting based on one’s emotions was honest.  Today one can be criticized by touching another person “inappropriately”.  It is my nature to touch a person when speaking or interacting with them.  It may be a touch on the arm or the shoulder and/or a pat on the back.  There is an energy flow with the touch that words cannot express.  The expression of love doesn’t always have a sexual connotation.   We are imperfect people with emotions and sensitivities.  Feeling the need to be right in our opinions or judgements is a human malady.  I admire the person who can say, “I was wrong or I made a mistake”.  These are people one can forgive.
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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 10, 2019 4:40 pm

Extension agreed 'til October 31st. Tory grassroots looking for 10,000 signatures on a petition that will allow the Tory Party to change its rule about votes of no confidence in the Prime Minister. At the moment, Mrs. May cannot be challenged until December this year. Local council elections on May 2nd will see a big drop in Tory controlled councils if May is not ousted by then. Everyone is exhausted with Brexit and would have preferred to leave on Friday without a deal. The EU wants to keep the UK in the EU, but only on its terms, which is a red rag to a bull as far as leave voters are concerned.

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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 10, 2019 11:31 pm

The mess has been extended to October 31st.   It appears that the mess is within the UK government and not with Brussels.  It is the consensus of the media that Brussels has accommodated the PM in her quest for support within her government, however patience is wearing thin.   If the PM’s attitude is,” my way or no way” without compromise, no extension will solve the problem.  Patricia May has consulted with Macron of France and Merkel of Germany for extension support.  It appears that they helped with that extension, however the problem remains with the UK government.
Yesterday, my wife said: “I want to wake up one morning and not hear the name Trump or Netanyahu, nor do I want to hear the word BREXIT”.   It has become exasperating listening to the same shit day after day.  All three things mentioned above have, or will have, an effect on the lives of many.   In my view, Netanyahu wants war. Annexing more territory is setting the stage.  Trump is playing into this scenario, even supporting these aggressive and illegal actions.  Brexit is affecting markets along with political ramifications yet to be determined.  Speculation is running rampant further disrupting business as usual. 
In the meanwhile, we are concerned with out daily lives.  Will climate change affect the food chain?  Will we have life-sustaining resources? Will we wake up tomorrow?
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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptySat Apr 13, 2019 8:06 am

I don't know if Theresa May will still be leader by October 31st. The country is in trouble if she is. She has no plan B to take the UK out of the EU. The Prime Minister is supposed to lead the way, but apart from the Chequers white paper, she has no plan. The country is at ease with leaving, but the politicians are in complete disarray.
The next month should define what happens over the following five months. At the moment no one has any idea what will happen next.

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I believe that you have a good grasp on the situation.  Thanks for the update.
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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 16, 2019 1:54 pm

Nothing much to report here. Students are becoming more engaged with climate change than Brexit. I think they have little appetite or grasp of the consequences of leaving the EU, which would require a lot of reading on their part. Climate change is well-covered in schools throughout the country, so no thought processes involved; they can protest without having to make much intellectual effort.

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Talking about climate change:


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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 23, 2019 5:01 am

Today, Theresa May will be asked to resign. We live in unprecedented times. The government is led by a remain prime minister, who is clinging on with the determination of a zealot. The country is desperate for a change of direction that Mrs. May is unwilling to take. She has no plan B. The framework for a deal is being argued over with Labour to no real purpose; it is the Withdrawal Agreement that she is trying to ram through parliament. She is willing to step aside, allowing a new leader and cabinet to negotiate the trade deal. She knows full well that there will be only one trade deal on the table once the Withdrawal Agreement is signed and legally binding, tying the hands of future negotiators.

Like many others who voted to leave, I turn off the television at the sound of her voice, which grates like sand on glass. One by one, everything she said has been reversed: the UK will leave on March 29th; there will be no long extension; there will be no participation in the EP elections. The next reversal will be a second referendum, where she will force the electorate to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement that has been defeated three times in parliament. Never has there been such despondency among the electorate.

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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 23, 2019 12:14 pm

We are living in strange times.  They may be considered unprecedented, weird, yet serious. 
Agreements are only as good as the people who honor them.  Integrity is becoming a rarity.  Can one trust the word of a politician or even a leader representing his/her government?  Will they change their views for political expediency?  Looking at the character of a person can be revealing.  We have politicians with multiple marriages that tells us that their vows meant little.  Business as usual can mean that anything goes, so long as one wins.  We are witnessing methods used by unscrupulous people, like Trump in his so-called winning.  Not paying the contractors employed to build his business while skimming profits, placing the money in off-shore accounts and then bankrupting the company thus sticking the vendors is considered smart business and legal.  Cancelling agreements like the Paris accord and the Iran deal. How can anyone believe in any agreement reached by such a person? Does the leader have the backing of his/her government in deals they make?  Unfortunately, the citizens of a country are perceived to be like their leader. Changing the leaders is necessary, but easier said than done.  Voting is no guarantee that the votes are valid.  Social media and political propaganda from foreign sources to influence elections are a reality. Although one can try to ignore what happens in another country, failure to understand that we are a world community requires critical thinking.  Climate change is a world concern with no geographical boundaries. Agreements made affecting trade has international repercussions.  My wife said the other day, “I would like to turn on the TV and not hear the name Trump or the word Brexit”.   Attitudes change much like the weather.  Depression is more common than previously experienced -   uncertainty being a major factor.   Perceptions, real or imagined, become truth.  Repetition of lies become truth to many.  There is no magic wand or reset button to affect change.  Our future is teetering on the brink, IMV.
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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 23, 2019 2:37 pm

Donald Trump has been invited to the UK on a state visit, and not everyone is happy about it. The decision is strictly political: a diversionary tactic to take the heat off Theresa May. Instead of Brexit, tomorrow's papers will be full of reasons why Trump should not be granted a state visit. It will also be used to prop up the government's assertion that it will be possible to set up a trade deal with the US.

People are very jaded with politics. Politicians have their own agenda after tney are elected, which is the ugly face of representative politics.

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PostSubject: Re: Events and attitude   Events and attitude - Page 2 EmptyTue Apr 23, 2019 10:48 pm

Good analysis, Shelagh. Diversion is the tactic; however critical thinkers recognize it.  The carrot offered - better trade with the US fails to consider what that means with Trump. He has no credibility. He wants recognition to satisfy his Ego-driven personality.  I believe that he envisions riding in a royal carriage using the Queen as a prop.  I hope that the people of Great Britain will deny him the spotlight.  I have the impression that the people of GB are fed up with their government and will take action. I have hope that the American people will do likewise.  “A Little Rebellion Now and Then Is A Good Thing” was said in a Letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison.  It may be that desperate times calls for desperate measures.
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The Tory party is in a real mess. They allowed Mrs. May to extend the leaving date twice. She has no alternative to fall back on. Nothing will happen between now and the end of October. Tory voters are unhappy and feel that the UK should already have left; they won't be voting for Conservative MEPs, and they want a new leader as soon as possible. The newly formed Brexit party is attracting all the disaffected Tory voters. 

Theresa May is blaming everyone around her for the impasse she has created. The government looks inept, out of touch and devoid of any semblance of being in control. Instead of strong and stable, Mrs. May looks weak and vulnerable. Predicting what might happen next is increasingly difficult because the government has quite literally torn up the rule book.

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Theresa May not answering the questions:


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