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PostSubject: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:52 am

It’s been 153 years since the Emancipation Proclamation was signed by President Lincoln on Jan 1, 1863.  Emancipation of economic and social rights, political rights and equality followed.   It worked to a large degree, but inequality was never erased.  Women are still fighting for equality in the workforce along with those considered “minorities”.  Blacks have been considered minorities.
Things are changing and changing fast.  Muslims are producing kids like rabbits.  Minorities produce more kids than whites.  The whites, especially the career-oriented ,don’t want children.  How long before whites become the minority and become the subject of abuse?  Recent killings of white officers and the demonstrations that followed are a dangerous trend. 
In business it is said that “one should be nice to people on the way up the ladder since you will meet these same people on the way down.”  When whites become the minority they may regret their actions against the so-called minorities.  How will they be treated by the new majorities whether that is of religion or race?  Will discrimination be reversed?
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:14 am

If, so Abe, then history has taught us nothing and we are no better than the tribes that fought each other since the beginning of recorded history.

We have so many pulpits and self-righteous people who claim a special connection with God, or claim themselves as "chosen." Let our pulpits truly teach the Golden Rule that runs through most religions in one way or another and stop isolating themselves.

This country and the world needs universal understanding of our human connection.  We are not animals. We must not behave like animals or tribes.  The modern philosophers teach peace and love for all human kind.  Each of us must exhibit the same in our daily lives and our daily thoughts.

We must eliminate hate from our hearts for any reason and learn to turn those wasted feelings into positive action to create harmony.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:17 am

I've mentioned it before and it is still relevant.  The Four Agreements by Dom Luis is a great little book for understanding human nature and turning it to the good.  Be impeccable with your word.  Do not take things personally.  Do not make assumptions. Always do your best.  And of the four, being impeccable with the Word incorporates turning hate statements into affirmative ones that create positive vibes because what we think becomes what we say and feel.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:12 am

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If, so Abe, then history has taught us nothing and we are no better than the tribes that fought each other since the beginning of recorded history.

We have so many pulpits and self-righteous people who claim a special connection with God, or claim themselves as "chosen." Let our pulpits truly teach the Golden Rule that runs through most religions in one way or another and stop isolating themselves.

This country and the world needs universal understanding of our human connection.  We are not animals. We must not behave like animals or tribes.  The modern philosophers teach peace and love for all human kind.  Each of us must exhibit the same in our daily lives and our daily thoughts.

We must eliminate hate from our hearts for any reason and learn to turn those wasted feelings into positive action to create harmony.

Have you ever had the thought, "Those who do hate, love hate?" Most humans would be better off as animals. There is nothing, no law, no human power that can make those who murder because they don't like the system change. People murder police because they believe the police are bad...what do they think their action murder is...GOOD?. 
You are a good person dk, you think like a good person...the bad people of this world do not think the same way.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:11 pm

Wow. The simplest thoughts are the most profound.  Of course people who do heinous things think differently.  They didn't get to that thinking pattern overnight.  Preaching from the pulpit won't change it.  It seems it's easier to take the path from good to evil than the path in reverse.

However, I must still be the optimist and believe that one on one by examples of kindness, some people may be turned from hate to love.  The evangelicals believe that "turn" comes with being "saved" and turning their lives over to Jesus.  But then they still damn the unsaved and cause havoc at abortion clinics.

That same rebirth can occur for any person from being an evil doer to recognizing the worth in all human beings.  Finding the key to unlocking the good - that is the challenge - because that lock is so different for each individual the world over.

And then - there are those who are convinced that the evil we see is for them the good and right thing to do.  Sort of like the World War II movies where both sides are praying for God to give them the victory - or in a more mundane way, basketball games in the south where they both pray for God to take them to victory.

Or the pro-life people who cause harm and death in abortion clinics - as they claim life, they take life.

What is "bad" from my perspective may be considered "good" by someone else.  Just as the Islamic radicals believe murdering us will get them to heaven.

So, my hope for change from tribal and hate thinking to universal and love thinking is fantasy.  Hate and tribal behavior is too strong to break.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:39 pm

It is true, Good people can, and do bad things...these can be changed. The bad I speak of, you can not change. People judge God and his ways from what religions teach.  Religions are not from God, nor do they teach Gods ways. Religions do not teach what took place in the garden, and that there are two different seeds on this earth. In Genesis 3:15 of the bible, God is talking to Satan about his offspring. 
The word used in the scrolls (which religions claim the bible is built from) did not use the word seed in Genesis 3:15...it used a Greek word, Sperma, which means. "Offspring."  There are many scriptures that support Genesis 3:15. Jesus called the offsprings as being from Satan. Two different DNA's. There are the offsprings from Adams Sperma, and one from Satans Sperma.  You can not change satans Sperma. Their goal is to kill the seed from Adam.

I know you don't believe what I say here, but one day you will.


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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:38 pm

Good posts DK & Domenic.  It appears that one can see things in a similar manner to another, however how they express their views can change the perspective.  DK referenced that.

As for changing, people will only change when they personally feel a need to change.  Outside input, whether that be from the pulpit or any other source, won't do it.  Pressure is often placed on people
to change.  The effect is that people resent being told what to do (to change) and resistance builds. It can have the effect of strengthening the negative rather than inducing the sought-after positive.  Consider those who want people to stop smoking.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:34 am

Earlier today, I posted this comment on facebook: ... segregation was abolished in 1964. Fifty years on, "Black Lives Matter" is divisive. No one mentions that Obama is white. His mother was white, his grandparents were white. He grew up in a white household with traditional white values. He is protrayed as the first black president, but the only part of him that is black is his skin. When people are seen as neither black nor white, there will be real integration. The sooner the better.

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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:05 am

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Good posts DK & Domenic.  It appears that one can see things in a similar manner to another, however how they express their views can change the perspective.  DK referenced that.

As for changing, people will only change when they personally feel a need to change.  Outside input, whether that be from the pulpit or any other source, won't do it.  Pressure is often placed on people
to change.  The effect is that people resent being told what to do (to change) and resistance builds. It can have the effect of strengthening the negative rather than inducing the sought-after positive.  Consider those who want people to stop smoking.

"STOP SMOKING?" Everybody has to draw the line some place, Abe.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:32 am

And I have good friends who are white but live black lives.  There is a difference.  There is a black culture with its own humor - based on the lives they have lived and the history that carries forward.

I agree in theory about ending "naming" by skin color.  It is absurd.  However, the black race was so put down by the white one that emphasizing that black is beautiful was an attempt to put some pride back in the children so they had the will to succeed. 

So there are no simple solutions and any solution will be gradual.  I do think change comes eventually by living in the same neighborhoods, working in the same occupations and hanging out together.  Kids playing together is a great start because kids are the original equality spirits until they are taught otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:40 am

By the way, even within dark races, lighter skin is considered better - still.  Until those nuances are changed across all peoples, it will be hard to eliminate skin color prejudice.  

Here's a great poem by Langston Hughes:

  
"I dream a world where man 
No other man will scorn
Where love will bless the earth
And peach its paths adorn.
I dream a world where all
Will know sweet freedom's way.
Where greed no longer saps the soul
Nor avarice blights our day.
A world I dream where black or white, 
Whatever race you be,
Will share the bounties of the earth
And every man is free.
Where wretchedness will hang its head
And joy, like a pearl,
Attends teh needs of all mankind-
Of such I dream, my world!"
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:02 pm

DK, you referenced color of skin where white is preferred by the blacks.  Isn't it strange that whites will lie in the sun and risk skin cancer to have a darker skin while those whose skin is naturally dark prefer white skin?  I think part of this is human nature wanting what one doesn't have? 
History and evolution tells us that we all originated in Africa, yet we make a distinction for Negroes, first calling them black and then African Americans.  If one is American, why is it necessary to make reference to one ancestral origins?  In that respect, we are all African Americans even though many of our ancestors migrated to other lands.  If we followed this trend, then many of us would be called European Americans.  The identity issue based on religion or race is nuts.  In today's world, you acquire citizenship by your country of birth even if your parents are not a citizen of that same country.  It can get a bit messy.  As for Obama's heritage, it shouldn't matter.  He is neither black or white but a mixed breed.  If you take color out of the equation, we are all of mixed-breed.  As one who grew up on a farm, breeding was a big deal.  If one wanted to keep the type of breed pure, breeding had to be done with one of the same.  Consider the breeding of horses and how a champion horse is put out to stud when he has passed his prime running age.  The history of Hitler’s Germany found him trying to improve the breed of Germans.  See:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics 
(You will note that eugenics originated in California and later adopted in Germany.)

Society determines what is acceptable or unacceptable behaviour.  Trying to change a person is for the most part an exercise in futility.  As individuals, we are unique.  It is our differences that make us who and what we are.  How boring if would be if we were all alike in appearance and in how we feel and think.  My wife says, with sarcasm, how boring heaven must be with nothing to do.  Further expansion on that I won’t get into.  We know that without pain we wouldn’t know how good it feels to be well.  Without failure, we couldn’t enjoy success, etc.
Trying to be the best person we can be is a job in itself without trying to change others.  Let others be who they are and were meant to be.  Diversity can be our strength.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:07 pm

Yes, I am fascinated by the origins of all humans in Africa and how the migration across the globe provided for differences that became more distinct over the centuries.

When I first became aware of these facts, I had an "ahah!" moment as though that should take care of the need for black pride...they are the originals and the rest of us are mutations.  

What keeps us separate is our fears, whatever they are.  I am fortunate that my friends are based on common interests and character so they are diverse.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:51 pm

This, "origins of all humans started in Africa," Is not a fact. Ham, a son of Noah went to the area we call Africa when the family split up. One went North West, one North East, and Ham to Africa. This was after the world flood.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:25 pm

The problems in America have little to do with our origins. In much the same way that gun control is an insoluble problem, so too is the problem of true equality and integration.

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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:39 am

If I was going to site a singular cause, it would be economic disparity.  I believe that disparity has been magnified by communication technology.
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PostSubject: Re: Reverse discrimination   Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:31 pm

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           Let's not go there ! I can tell you about discrimination when I grew up and I know
what it is to grow up with the black / white discrimination...

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