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PostSubject: Germans welcome immigrants   Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:42 am

As Europe slowly opens their arms to the refugees from war and poverty, it is a lesson to the rest of the developed world that those of wealth must begin to recognize responsibility for humankind, not just their own kin.

I am glad to see Germany take a lead role at this time.  I believe their economy is strong enough to bear the cost.  I imagine the lower paid and unskilled workers will have concerns just as in this country about the competition for jobs.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:52 am

I am proud of Germany.  They have set a great example.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:39 pm

I lived in Germany for four years, two in Butzbach and two in Weisbaden.  Friends in Butzbach had been wealthy apartment owners in Frankfurt.  The father had been sent to the Russian front.  The mother and her daughters spent their time in the basement with the apartments bombed down around them.

Their dad returned with a serious war wound but found employment in Butzbach and rebuilt a modest life for his family.  They had no automobile, but he rode his bike up and down the hill daily to and from  his employment and his wife for shopping.

One evening while we chatted in my elementary German and their elementary English, the mom and dad said, "We were blessed to survive the war and have each other. We have a home, food, education, employment and hope.  That is all we need in this world.  Anything beyond is willingly shared with someone with less. I prayed for my husband's return and that I would ask no more."

When I shared their story with some friends, they said, "they are communists."  Is that how it is?  If you love others and believe in sharing beyond life's necessities, then you are a bad person?  Is the world so turned upside down with greed and profit that there is no room for kindness and compassion without labeling it?
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:41 pm

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                      Isn't it interesting, Saudi Arabia has yet to say they or any other wealthy
 Arab Nation will take in any of the thousands of refugees ? I think because their afraid
 their might nbe terrorists among them and they will not risk their kingdoms ! Also just
 Germany wants other European nations to take in thousands of people and just saw on 
 the news thousands of immigrants are flooding borders to get into other countries, this
is horrible their govts. should do something in the Middle East not Europe not the USA..

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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:57 pm

We must remember that the educated in the Middle Eastern countries are only a few and the wealthy at the top.  They are tribal, two class societies (like our nation is becoming). In more democratic countries with a middle class, assimilation is somewhat easier.  In a two class society it only adds to the restless masses who are already poor. 

The wealthy in this country don't want immigrants.  Just ask Mr. Trump.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:53 pm

Mr. Trump said we should take some of the immigrants.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:12 am

Interesting comments.  Hermann Frech has a cousin living in Florida.  When she and her brother came to visit him some years ago, her brother said that all Germans were communists based on their welfare system.  I learned more about the brother and that he was among the rich and constantly talked down on welfare recipients.  He had a good job and his two sons also had good jobs.  They owned large houses, etc.  Then his son lost his job.  In the process he lost his heavily financed home and was forced to move in with his Dad taking with him the large family dog.  Suddenly attitudes changed about those without work and means.  "With every adversity there is a benefit."
When problems arise one discovers the true nature of people.  It is being shown with the handling of the refugees.  Being compassionate and charitable is not communism.  I see it as being "Christ-like" if one subscribes to the Christian faith.  Even the Pope this past week proclaimed that all Catholic Parishes should take in a Refugee family.  He is one special Pope.
There is much positive associated with this crisis.  The true nature of people and nations come to the fore. They often talk a good game, but when they are faced with reality their true nature is revealed.  In the past and even recent past, Germany has been demonized by many.  Perhaps this crisis will serve to change that image.  When Refugees are asked where they want to go, many (as recorded on TV) say, Germany.  One was recorded as saying:  “We want to go to Mama Merkel  (Merkel Germany’s Chancellor).  Austria is showing compassion as well.  Not all Refugees show appreciation and some are downright ugly.  In Austria it was shown that food offered to one family was thrown on the ground and stomped on since it was not Muslim food.  When one is hungry, one takes what is given.  When I lived and worked in the Middle East, I ate things offered and didn’t want to know what it was.  To refuse what is offered is considered an insult.  That is also part of the Muslim religion.  One cannot castigate everyone by the actions of a few.  While this is happening, we see Candidates for President in America hammer away at the unwelcome immigrants in America.  This is seen to be led by Trump, the face of an arrogant rich guy.  The Candidate who is promoting Democratic Socialism is gaining ground.  He represents the middle, lower class, the Veterans and the seniors.  He also wants to provide education for all.  People want security and democratic socialism offers that. 
Trying to assimilate people of a different culture into a society of a different culture, takes time.  It will not be a smooth transition, but it will happen.  Fights will break out among the Refugees and with some of the locals whose tranquillity has been infringed on.  These immigrants will eventually learn to abide by the law of the land if they want to remain.  Actions taken without being fully informed of the cause will elicit much criticism by those who are far removed.   Criticism is already being made by countries unaffected by the migration.  And so it goes…
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:15 am

Thanks for letting me know that I missed Mr.Trump's generosity.

Insightful Abe. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:51 pm

9/9

                          You have to read this and wonder ?

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/world/gulf-states-syrian-refugee-crisis
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:47 pm

The latest bombshell.  Saudi Arabia offered to build 200 Mosques in Germany.  Germany responded saying:  Take Refugees.
This news just happened.  Reactions will be forthcoming.  When one considers that many migrants are fleeing the areas ruled by Islamists and want to go to Europe, why would they want to bring that shit with them?  IMV, Saudi Arabis should keep their hands off and if they want to help, take Refugees.  Could it be that none of the Refugees want to go to Saudi Arabia?  I'm sure the German citizens will have something to say about this.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:19 pm

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                   Abe..

                          I guess Germany will be building 200 Mosques after all....
                    Saudi Arabia doesn't want any of these people , I guess their
                    too terrified of terrorists ? 

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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:35 pm

Joe, I don't think the Mosques will be built, at least not by the Germans.  If the Muslims who live in Germany build one, that cannot be considered Government-sponsored.

The church and state are separate.  The Catholic cathedrals in Germany were built by the Catholic church, not the government.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:59 am

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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:43 pm

I made a mistake in my post.  Saudia Arabia offered to build 2,000 mosques, not 200. 
How many refugees has Saudi taken?  I believe they have some, but don't have any statistics.

As for people wanting and needing help, I made a previous post about the migrants and how they pay a fee of 1,000 to 1,500 dollars for each family member for passage on a boat.  Don't know where they get the money, but suspect they are indebted to their sponsors and therefore the theft/crime that occurs once they arrive at their destination.

My friend and fellow choir member told me that a young man came by his house holding a piece of paper that read:  "I have no job.  I'm hungry.  Can't you give me some money?" 
My friend owns vineyards and at the time the young man came by he was working in his garden.  He told the young man that if he would help him in the garden for 3 hours, he would give him 30 Euros and a good meal.  The young man didn't want to work and just wanted the money, therefore he got nothing.
It has been reported that cars loaded with beggers appear in villages and go door-to-door begging for money and then turn it over to the head gangster.  One want to be charitable, but unfortunately the criminals spoil it for the needy. 
 
I would even be willing to take in a couple in my home if they would help with the work.  My wife cannot do much of the housework and if she got help it would be great.  I could also find work for the husband.  The danger is that they would come and invite their friends to join them as well as party all night.  That is not an assumption, but a fact.  If some screening could be done, there are many seniors as well as widows and widowers living alone who would welcome someone in their home to assist them.  
What is lacking is the screening and organization to provide for the refugees.  People want to help, but are afraid.  The risk often outweighs the intended generosity.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:29 pm

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                         Just saw video on face book, Muslims rioting in Sydney, Australia,
            police were taken off guard got out of hand many injured..Awful, Who's next
            France, Germany England ?

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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:15 pm

Joe, it will get worse before it gets better.  Once people accept the influx as a fact of life, then they may come to grips with it.  Mixing cultures is full of problems.  In the present case, the biggest hurdle is age-old cause of strife and wars: Religion.  Where a "One-God" concept should unite people, their take on God is so varied and full of interpretation that being united is still a dream. 
 
The news reports that Islamist extremists are already trying to recruit people at train stations and refugee camps.  It is a big problem.  Solution?
 
It was reported that some holocaust survivors have petitioned Netanyahu to take in Refugees with their "Never Forget" philosophy.  Netanyahu is said to have responded that he fears the infiltration of terrorists.  He obviously doesn't see that Zionist terrorists have infiltrated Palestine. 
 
This discussion is something we talk about at home.  My wife still has a sharp mind and is well read.  The book she is currently reading: „Lawrence In Arabia“ by Scott Anderson is revealing.  This is not the same book as “Lawrence of Arabia” and the movie about Lawrence.  The book reveals the lies used for conquest by the West.  On the book cover it says: “War, deceit, Imperial folly and the making of the modern Middle East.”   In further discussion I asked a rhetorical question:  “When did all the troubles start in the M.E?  Without hesitation she said:  “In 1948”.  I won’t go into that with this post, however if anyone wants to know the root of the problem, do some research on your own.  The information is available
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:58 am

REFUGEE
A Syrian boy lying faceless in the Turkish surf
Could’ve been mine, yours, or the Pastor’s son.
Aylan, Andy, Alex; Aylssa, Allison, Alice;
By that name or one of a 60 million others,
The 3-year-old in red shirt, blue shorts
Could’ve been just as sweet.
400,000 years and more of human evolution
And this is the best we can do?
Have we not explored the Moon? Mars?
The far reaches of Time and Space?
Have we not played God?
And created forms of Artificial Intelligence?
Yet forced economic subjugation runs
Our social organism through subsistence
Living in fear and manipulation,
Man-slaughtering our morals in order
To be controlled, and for what?
Is this the best we can do? Is it?
1 million. 2 million. 3. No.
60,000,000—and counting—men, women and
Children cry, fall, displaced—flooding away, away…
Away…out of that number is one:
A boy named Aylan Kurdi,
Whose body washed dead to freedom.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:37 am

That picture speaks loudly.  I wonder how many are listening?
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:28 pm

Terrible , terrible, TERRIBLE!
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:14 am

Jeremiah says man cannot guide his own footsteps. That boy looks about the same age as my grandson. Man has divided the earth. Invisible lines that make claim to the land. Animals do the same thing. The Native Americans were spot on. They lived with this truth: “The land does not belong to man. It is the land that owns man.” If mans footsteps had not made invisible lines, and divided the earth, that young boy would be alive. He would have come to Europe by a safe means rather then fill a boat designed for ten people, not fifty, or one hundred. More than forty years ago I talked to a broken man, Dr Earle L. Reynolds. He was one of the scientist sent to Heroshima within days after the bomb was dropped. Here is a truth: During the war no bombs were dropped on Heroshima. The city had no part in the Japanese war effort. The Government of the United States wanted a city that was undamaged to test the effects of an Atomic bomb. The two bombs dropped on Japan did not end the war. The war in Europe was over, and Russia had joined the war against Japan. The Japanese surrendered because they feared the Russians would kill their Emperor, after all, in 1917 the Russians had killed their own Emperor. Truth is not always truth. The people of Italy are making great efforts to save the boat people…thousands of them. They are taking them in. The people of Italy do not want these people. It seems all people want to secure their invisible lines. The little guy dead on the beach…is speaking a truth…man cannot guide his own foot steps. The world needs to stop, and listen to the breathless voices of children washed upon the beaches. They are talking to us…doesn’t anybody care?
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:36 am

Domenic, I find your comments most interesting.  Your take on dropping the bomb is not the first time I heard it, but it is a subject that tends to defy commonly held beliefs.  In that regard, it is not a safe or popular subject.  It is akin to talking about Israel and Palestine.  Man will believe what he wants to believe and will even believe lies if they are repeated often enough.  Sometimes the truth appears long after the fact, and since events cannot be changed, they are conviently forgotten.  Today, it doesn't matter much how or when the bomb was dropped.  We know it was dropped causing many deaths.  In addition, people are still suffering today from the effects of that blast.  We learned how devasting it can be.  I only hope no one is foolish enough to do it again.  I applaud the efforts of Obama for the Iran peace deal.  How many have wondered why there is so much opposition?  Have you considered that with the sanctions lifted, Iranian oil will flood the market bringing the price of oil down even further?  Do the oil companies want that to happen?  Even the Saudi's are opposed to the deal.  It doesn't take much insight to understand the reason for the opposition.  I suspect that those in Congress that gave support to Netanyahu did so to kill the deal for the reasons of money and oil and not for security.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:33 am

The danger with the Bomb is there are people in this world today who believe, if the die killing non-Muslims, they will go to heaven and get ten virgins…Iran will get the bomb. I would even guess they already have it…perhaps a gift from Russia? Russia has always been one to get others fighting, then they can come in and take over what is left. There will be an atomic war.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:47 am

Domenic, you may be right about Iran already having the bomb.  In my view, they have as much right to have it as Israel.  It could be seen as a balance.  If you recall the Cold War where it was the US and Russia that had all the nukes and the threat of nuclear war helped to maintain the peace as no one wanted the consequences of using them.  

Having said that, I believe all nukes should be eliminated.  No exceptions.
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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:25 pm

9/12

                        I just read they have found many different arabs not Syrian trying to
                get into Germany and other countries, they have been taken away, they had
                no proof of who they are and I think the govt.'s fear they maybe terrorists..

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PostSubject: Re: Germans welcome immigrants   Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:37 pm

Joe, it is a EU requirement that all people entering a EU country be registered.  Some Refugees refuse to be registered.  In this case, they should not be allowed to enter. 
It cannot be assumed that those who register, arriving without any ID, can be considered to have given true statements.  Registration is a starting point for having an ID while in the EU. 
Everyone in Europe has an ID.  I still cannot understand why it is not a requirement in America.  Most use a driver's license as an ID.  Why not have an official ID that also indicates citizenship?  Would that not solve problems with identity and be used to vote, if a US citizen?
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