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Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:41 am | |
| Joe, your statement: "Every American knows"... Please examine that statement with the supporters that Bernie Sanders already has. |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:11 pm | |
| 9/18 Bernie Sanders ! ............... Joe....... |
| | | Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:17 pm | |
| Joe, Do you believe that all Muslim people should be put in interment camps like we did to the Japanese? Do you think that all black people should be as well. Do you think that white people are better than any other race? It seems to me that is what you are saying. Or are you just trying to cause a nasty discussion? I do not understand how you can purport what you do knowing that a black man raised you and took care of your mother. I stand by my statement that refers to Trump as a person who would govern like Adolph Hitler. Prove me wron. |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:18 pm | |
| 9/18 Betty.. I'm shocked at you to even think such a thing ! All I want for my Country is it to be normal not chaotic ! Second I resent anyone dare saying I'm prejuidice , I grew up with this the way people would stare at my step-father or me years later as I got older I understood what that meant ! The attitude is : " What is that black man doing with that white child," and this was in the late 1950's and early 1960's and it was in Brooklyn NY, I even heard two black ladies say to my step father " what's the matter you can't marry your own kind, you have to marry a white bitch !, " So don't tell me about discrimination, I resent the fact that you or anyone calling a political candidate would govern like Adolph Hitler, that's an insult to any decent human being, now if I said that about Bernie Sanders I would be jumped upon in two minutes , so I would never, ever call someone that name not even my worst enemy. I forgive you, you see I'm a decent human being and all human beings have faults but I have the right to state what I believe in it's a free country........So far ? Cheers... Joe.......... |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:33 pm | |
| Dk, If nobody has told you, there never was, "Cave man days." I did a study of cave paintings in France. These caves were never lived in my humans, or as you call them, cave men. The art work on several of the caves was done by the same artist. He/she signed his/her work with a red hand print. The paint used on those painting was better than what is used on homes (outdoor) today. There are many things found that we can't make today. The fairy tale about the human race starting as a fish, or something is not true...if it was true, there would be millions of bone links...thus far there are none. I agree with your attack on religion...they are man made, and false. I would even go as far to say, most of the bible is man made, and false. The bible men claim to have written from the scrolls do not match major scriptures in the scrolls. Much has even been left out.
I know a man in Southern Calif who claims, "The Bible is false, and there is no God." I asked him if he ever read the bible? He said he had not read it...my question to him was, "If you have not read it, how do you know what it says, and can claim what you have not read false?"
Can you prove there were cave men DK? Please don't just post something somebody said...post what you can prove. |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:32 pm | |
| 9/18/2015 I will not stay on a site were certain people who are so far Democratic left that they feel their way is the right way and then say I'm prejudice, and to top it off saying a Presidential candidate is the next Hitler is disrespectful and shocking Stalin , Mao, Castro, North Korea yes those were and are like Hitler but you never ever call a American candidate " Hitler," that's pure ignorant and low class, I guess the far left Democrats are scared to death of Trump, why because Hillary or Bernie won't be able to make it a Socialist Country I don't know anyone in their right minds who would ever want to live like that, I know I don't ! What Betty said about me is so vindictive, cruel , I almost threw up. And as far as Abe is concerned he can be nasty and yes a far left Democrat who has his claws out, isn't it interesting as I heard once before people who are far left Democrats when their cornered and told their wrong they beat up on you and yet if you defend yourself your wrong oh boy did they pick on the wrong person ! Abe can be very sarcastic and no one really cares, these two people should work for Bernie Sanders and isn't it interesting how politics is tearing apart this country...... Shelagh...Alice I will miss you.... Cheers...Joe......... |
| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:53 pm | |
| Joe's frustration is evident. Lashing out may temporarily relive the tension, but does not solve anything. Many use past figures as comparison as did Betty. IMV, she is not a vindictive person. She has shown love and caring. If anyone doubts that, read her books. So many have used "Hitler" as a symbol of evil. Perhaps he has been beaten up enough and someone more fresh would suit. I can think of several, but naming them would only cause more friction. I may however use a "fresh" one in a future post as comparison.
Labeling someone as "far left", "liberal" or whatever IMV is shooting blindly in frustration. We learn about candidates for President primarily from news reports. Keep in mind that everything a President says is recorded. Candidates for President should remember that and be careful of what they say. The opposition will use the words of a Candidate against them when it suits.
Many will use words that they don't fully understand. I'm thinking about the word "Socialism". That word is used frequently and misunderstood. Some research may help those who are confused. There are various forms of socialism. As writers, we try to be careful in what words we use so that the reader can understand what we're trying to say. That same care should be used in posts we make. If what we say can be misunderstood or misinterpreted, then we used the wrong word(s).
When people use the words socialism and communism as one in the same, I cringe. It tells much about the person and their ignorance. Buzz words are used by politicians denigrate their opponent. They may also used buzz words to flatter themselves. The word "God" has become a buzz word to project a positive image while the word "socialism" is used to project a negative image. I admire Bernie Sanders for having the guts to use the words "Democratic Socialism" in support of his agenda to provide humanatarian services and benefits to US citizens.
If I haven't pissed anyone off lately, that can only mean I haven't been clear enough in my posts. |
| | | dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:07 am | |
| Nova has produced some excellent documentaries regarding the origins of the human species. |
| | | Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:59 am | |
| DK, Yes they do. Love, Betty |
| | | dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:27 am | |
| Like most scientific programs, this one gets a bit tedious as they uncover each detail yet the mystery of it all is fascinating.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/dawn-of-humanity.html
I was in ancient days a student of geography - I doubt they teach it anymore with the Internet - but even then, we studied the migration of the human race from Africa across the continents. I used to wonder why that wasn't taught in schools to help dispel the myths that any one nation had people any better or any worse than any other. Each is just in its own development phase, evolving at its own pace until the advent of mass communications brought a rapid expansion to knowledge and created desires for a different way of living.
I think the fatal flaw in our development as a species is the thought that any one religion or belief is "the one," or that any way of life is "the one" and we have the right to "save" everyone else by killing off those who don't believe. Thus the Crusades for Christians and genocides for other belief systems.
How much better if we could have evolved with minds open to new thought and ideas that instead help us live in acceptance of differences instead of trying to create a world that matches our own ego-centric beliefs.
Of course, many people do open their thought processes. However, acceptance of all people as worthy and wonderful and deserving of a quality life makes one a target for labels and mistreatment, often by those who live in fear that what they have will be taken from them.
Even in one's own family, prejudices and bias color conversations and to question opinions may lead to ill will. I left my church board because to "get along" I was voting yes on things to which I strongly objected - and I felt like a fraud after the meetings. Even in churches, a person's true nature may shine through one's attempt at spiritual growth. While we may understand many things intellectually, our emotional base often takes control. |
| | | dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:47 am | |
| I do believe in scientific inquiry. I also know that it, too, is colored by bias though many scientists work very diligently to have minds open to discovery, untainted by past information.
While I have "beliefs," I know that's exactly what they are. As I gain new knowledge and information I need to adjust some of them. Political campaigns are such a misinformation waste of communication that all the ill will they create is really not necessary. Only once have I known a reknowned political person very well and once he was elected all I knew of his background and character went down the tubes to the job of keeping his job.
Therefore, I highly recommend that we avoid the extremes in these campaigns, attempt to ferret out some information about the candidates and maybe attend events to converse with those in the know. Most of what we see and hear is created to get us to vote and provides little evidence of the real person.
Sometimes we get a glimpse of their actual records as governors or politicians and we can draw some information; however, even their records include a pick and choose element.
I must say, Bernie Sanders has had plenty to say long before the campaign. Much of what he said and still says is seeking programs to benefit the majority of the citizens of the U.S. rather than the few. He seems to be true to his words. However, "seems" is the operative word. Personally, I believe it takes an understanding of all elements of the economy and how they work together to create new policy for a continued strong economy and positive role in a global economy. |
| | | Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
Number of posts : 2557 Registration date : 2009-04-27
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:48 am | |
| NOVA? the word itself means in Spanish..."Wont go." As in everything, there are two different theories on everything. Men of science are also in two different camps. Nova needs to have good stories many will like. In doing this they gain advertisers The business of nova is to make money. The half of science Nova does not follow are those who claim there was a world flood, and that many of the things in the Bible have proven true. Since it is the thinking of many like yourself not to believe in a God, Nova stays away from anything that cast light on that thinking. Since I love writing fiction, I also like to watch the fiction shows Nova put on. For anything I seek fact on...I need proof, and proof, and proof. |
| | | dkchristi Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8594 Registration date : 2008-12-29 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:02 am | |
| One way to cling to one's ego-centric beliefs is to rule out all knowledge that may challenge them and only follow one information source. To label all conflicting ideas as coming from a false source is one way not to be open. That is each person's choice. I choose multiple sources of information. It is correct that I do not believe in the god that man created, the old white man with long white hair and beard floating across the sky or occasionally appearing to believers. No, I believe in a Creative power beyond my imagination that is more and greater than any thought can comprehend. I believe in a Creative force that reaches beyond the furthest known universes to encompass all known and unknown. I believe it's a force for good, supports harmony, and has design for all things. I believe that force is the life force in all living things and maybe those inanimate objects as well. I believe I can feel that power because I am part of all living things as well and just have not yet learned all I need to know or am capable of knowing but will continue life as I know it on a learning path. I believe some people have described that force in terms that make it more real to them and their faith gives them the guidance and comfort they need for their lives. My faith gives me the guidance and comfort I need for my life and I would never tell another person that their beliefs are false or non-existent. I do not see into the human heart. I am not omniscient. |
| | | Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:21 am | |
| Dk, I appreciate your thoughtful post.
Joe, If I have offended you (and evidently I have) please accept my apology. I know you are not a racist. Love, Betty |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:29 am | |
| 9/19
Betty..
I accept, I know you didn't really mean it...To me this country is being torn apart by politicians and those who are running I do understand the plight of seniors I being one and the plight of children, education I think can be stronger and the parents have to have control over their kids and teach them they must have an education...I have never in my life seen this country so broken, torn apart and it makes me so sad, I'm giiving up on all this I refuse to make myself sick, I have enough on my plate to deal with...
Love Joe |
| | | Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:43 am | |
| Thank you, Joe. Love, Betty |
| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:56 am | |
| Diane, I agree with Betty on your thoughtful post. I happen to share your beliefs. As so often happens, you make a post that mirrors my own thoughts. Fortunately you say it much better than I could. The best I can do is to acknowledge what you say. |
| | | Betty Fasig Five Star Member
Number of posts : 4334 Registration date : 2008-06-12 Age : 81 Location : Duette, Florida
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:37 pm | |
| Me, too, Abe. Thank you, too, Abe for saying I was a loving person. I hope I am. Diane has always posted a well thought out post on topics that are volatile. I am often a hot head. Love, Betty |
| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:58 am | |
| The GOP appeals to people of like minds. They have become extremists cloaked with religious dogma. Use the word "God" and they have followers. Profanity used by GOP presidential candidates is another addition. At one time profanity would have been deleted or bleeped from TV broadcasts. Trump says he wants to take America back. One could interpret that to mean that he wants to take us backwards. How far back does he want to go? Could it be the Wild West with gun-slingers and lawlessness? |
| | | alice Five Star Member
Number of posts : 15672 Registration date : 2008-10-22 Age : 76 Location : Redmond, WA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:21 pm | |
| Trump is not funny. The more he talks the scarier he gets. "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:13 pm | |
| 12/9 I find it so funny when people get their undies in a big knot over someone running for President ! I agree he said it all wrong the way he did it, their are as I read 38 countries that you don't need a Visa to enter the USA, I do believe we don't have a system to keep track of people who enter and leave this country, they come in and they vanish or do what that couple did in Calif. I believe all Visas should be halted for one year until this country gets it's security act together , as you can see by what happened in Calif. England has a better system than we do, they know when you came in and they know when you left, Europe is always ahead of this country, our country is so large and vast we need to use the military , police to secure our country or were in big trouble, and I would never, ever want to see Hillary in charge, no way !!!! Cheers........ .....Joe |
| | | Shelagh Admin
Number of posts : 12662 Registration date : 2008-01-11 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:09 pm | |
| LC posted this on facebook:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/12/09/the_elites_just_don_t_understand_it_obama_birthed_the_trump_movement |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:07 pm | |
| 12/9 Shelagh.. Great article and it's true ! I like what Trump says not because the way he said it, we don't have security in this country, I don't trust the federal govt. because they lie, don't tell the truth and people are starting to wake up and are frustrated by the way politicians will lie to get elected that includes " Hillary," I heard she already has her crown made ! The American public doesn't want another politician in office, enough of the lying, the corruption, and I know I don't want a Communist Socialist in office, we don't need that Americans love their freedom, I do feel sorry for poor Jeb Bush, he looks like he doesn't want to do it, someone is pushing him and he doesn't as they say " Have The Fire In The Belly." All the others are losers, so we shall see in two months, who knows maybe Hillary will leave the country and become the Queen of another and take Hore Dog Bill with her.. Cheers...Joe.... |
| | | Abe F. March Five Star Member
Number of posts : 10768 Registration date : 2008-01-26 Age : 85 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:27 pm | |
| With all the bizarre things Trump says, there is an element of truth in it. That can be true regardless of who makes comments. The thing that struck me was his comment I heard on an interview this morning with CNN where he said: "We have to figure out why there is so much hatred against America and why they want to fly planes into our buildings. We need to control who comes and goes in this country." I happen to agree with that and have made posts about it. Getting to the cause of the problem is the only way to solve it. Having ID's, IMV, makes sense. It is the norm in Western Europe. Why it has been resisted in the US is something I don't understand.
In general, Trump's off-the-cuff remarks is causing damage around the world. It is as though he is making war with the world. Instead of cooperation, he would cause America to be isolated. When he wasn't named "Person of the year" by TIME magazine, instead of congratulating the winner, he made a disparaging remark about her. A sore loser he is. He is a person who feels that winning at any cost is the name of the game and the mindset held by many of the rich.
Why is there so much hatred against America? I think you know the answer to that. Is Trump a person will make friends or enemies? His remarks suggest that he is already showing what path he would take. |
| | | joefrank Five Star Member
Number of posts : 8210 Registration date : 2008-11-04 Age : 75 Location : Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
| Subject: Re: TRUMP? Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:44 pm | |
| 12/10 We need in the USA just like Europe has had for decades " NATIONAL ID CARDS ," it's the dam govt. that doesn't want to do it and the Communist left ACLU who's going to try to stop it ! Why some people are so afraid oh their going to know my business get a life ! They already know about me, photographed and fingerprinted for the Met Museum and the justice dept. gets those just in case , I've had eight passports they have that on record , so I say fellow Americans better wake up ! We need a National ID card and I think that also should be used as a drivers license you don't need every time you move you have to get a new drivers license from each state you move to..... Cheers.......Joe...... |
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