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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:34 am

It's the most entertaining campaign in my memory. Leading a nation in this global world is not, however, entertainment nor is it done by saying, "I'll just do it."  I imagine since Trump is never at work, "I'll just do it" always means someone else does it.  What happened to those two brothers in Texas that are so charming and smart?  We need a charismatic leader, not an unscripted clown.

According to a reporter on NPR, that bastion of liberal thought, Trump has been endorsed by the white supremacy groups and the neo Nazi groups - not that he courted their favor but his platform seems to fit with their goals so they endorsed him.

As a woman, it is obvious that women are tools to him.  He uses intelligent ones for his business but prefers young, beautiful ones in his presence.  Tools. If women have something he can use, that's fine.  If not, they better be beautiful.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:59 am

It definitely is the most entertaining campaign in my memory.  I almost want to see him deliver on his promises.

"We will win so much we will get sick of winning."
"We will be great again."
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:36 am

Actually, I'm insulted by the "We'll be great again" slogan.  This country is already a great country.  It is a young country that did a lot of heinous things to get where we are - and did a lot of humanitarian things for the world in the process.  People come here from everywhere for their own second chances.  Sure, we have a lot to improve.  But the politicians just spend all their time talking about it and then do nothing to improve things except beat a subject to death

Even in that regard, we finally have universal health coverage in a patch work fashion.  Medicare works very well and it should have been on the Medicare model - but that didn't work politically.  It's the politics that ruin all the good ideas - everyone needing to get their bite.

And a Republican saying they'll make America great again?  While they let the roads crumble, the bridges fall, the children starve and education costs sky rocket? Give me a break.

Great was when we had two political parties that had members that talked to each other and worked together even though they made a lot of noise.  Not great is the do-nothing Republicans and the go to war folks.  That's not great at all.

Is going to war what's going to make us great?  That's how the Republicans do it.  Going to war in Iraq really made us great - a recession, hated in the world, busted cities and corporations - yeah, that was really great. Oh well, until they do something about lobbyists, special interests, subsidies, campaign finance and more there's nothing great going to happen for the common person.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:37 am

My gut tells me that whoever is the next President will be faced with a war.  I can't predict who will start it, but the candidates in my view are:  North Korea or Israel.  Iran will be involved as it would be the target of Israel and the US would be the target of North Korea.  In either case, the US will be drawn into the conflict.  We need a level-headed person as President who can defuse situations that can prevent war.  Hot heads or those acting tough will be our folly.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:18 pm

War is folly for certain.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:50 pm

9/15

               I see people are still seeing through rose colored glasses ? I went to a meet up
      group meeting last night and I did everything from causing a scandal all because of one
      person who made a statement that made my blood boil ! Good thing had a good friend
      with me who mad me bite my lip he knows I shoot from the hip and If I feel what you
      say is unjust I'll tell you off.. This jackass started carrying on about Trump and how he'll
      destroy this country and called hi another " Adolph Hitler," we'll when I heard that I almost
      lost it ! So I very elegantly stated: " Isn't it interesting how the " Far Left Liberal Democrats,"
     have almost destroyed this country ? We as of this moment have " MORONS" running this
     country who are destroying it ! And a President who hasn't even helped his own people, the
     black un-employment rate is higher than they whites ! And I don't see anyone covering this
     then again the left wing liberals will bitch and carry on about anything and everything and if
     you disagree with them they become nasty, violent, they have a severe socialist agenda no
     one wants in this  country so I think they should move to Russia....

                                                          Cheers........Joe........
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:28 pm

Joe, some of your comments appear to be the reaction you accuse others of having.  In the issue of Trump and your socialist views, we are on opposite sides.  If you want to get pissed at me, go ahead.  As for rose-colored glasses, I have no idea what that means.  If rose-colored glasses caused me to see roses and the smell of roses, that would be pleasant.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:12 am

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                    Evidently this country is so divided , it'a a disgrace ! I think any kind
       of left wing Liberal party should be banned under law, their very dangerous...
       We don't need that here....

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:18 am

I disagree.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:37 am

The US can learn much from Europe.  Democratic socialism means people are taken care of.  They are not starving nor do they have to worry that what they have will be taken from them.  Capitalism had its run and it is running the country into the ground.  Anything for a buck will be our downfall.  The pursuit and greed for money led us into war.  Seniors are threatened that their security is not secure.  Healthcare is constantly threatened.  Seniors deserve to live the rest of their lives in security and without fear.  I refuse to live is such a society.  Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that is consistent with his humanatarian views.  He wants to have the rich pay their fair share in taxes.  He wants to support the Veterans and Seniors.  He wants to provide education for all.  If we claim to be the richest nation in the world, all the things he wants to do can be done.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:43 am

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It's the most entertaining campaign in my memory. Leading a nation in this global world is not, however, entertainment nor is it done by saying, "I'll just do it."  I imagine since Trump is never at work, "I'll just do it" always means someone else does it.  What happened to those two brothers in Texas that are so charming and smart?  We need a charismatic leader, not an unscripted clown.

According to a reporter on NPR, that bastion of liberal thought, Trump has been endorsed by the white supremacy groups and the neo Nazi groups - not that he courted their favor but his platform seems to fit with their goals so they endorsed him.

As a woman, it is obvious that women are tools to him.  He uses intelligent ones for his business but prefers young, beautiful ones in his presence.  Tools. If women have something he can use, that's fine.  If not, they better be beautiful.
 Ahhhhh women....I have often wondered, Did the first guy who said, "Lets give women the vote, " not understand, 'THERE ARE MORE WOMEN ON EARTH THEAN MEN, AND THEY CAN OUT VOTE MEN?'  I am not anti women...I love women. I think every man should own ten, or twenty. Now if I was King, I would give all women a title like we have on cars. A man could buy a used women, or a new one. Trade them in, sell them, and even lease them out. Ahhhh. the good old days. A man could go out with the guys drinking, telling dirty jokes, and smoke cigars. Yeah a guy could even spend money on fishing gear. Not shave every day, and leave his dirty clothing on the floor. Yeah, those were the good old days. Guys had women in check. A fellow didn't have to spend hours on for-play to get what they wanted...just jump on, do your stuff, and leave her hanging out there in space. The thing that puts a kink in a mans thinking is women are smarter than guys? That has always seemed to be a problem men don't like to face. After all, aren't we the big shot? It's a big come-down when a guy has to ask a women, "Duh, how do you spell this," or "What's this mean?"  It's hard being a guy. I found by perfecting for-play...I get to go out with the guys, smoke a good cigar, and yeah, even buy some new fishing gear. I found I don't have to be a King to control women...whisper dumb stuff in their ear, a flower, and for-play...they go from being smart to dumb. I think they go from smart to dumb...I wonder, are they just faking it? Have I been getting women in bed all these years, or have they been getting me in bed?  Naw, they can't be that smart...can they?
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:03 am

This message may help to enlighten those opposed to democratic socialism.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421659/-An-Evangelical-responds-to-Sanders-speech-at-Liberty-U?detail=facebook
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:18 am

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The US can learn much from Europe.  Democratic socialism means people are taken care of.  They are not starving nor do they have to worry that what they have will be taken from them.  Capitalism had its run and it is running the country into the ground.  Anything for a buck will be our downfall.  The pursuit and greed for money led us into war.  Seniors are threatened that their security is not secure.  Healthcare is constantly threatened.  Seniors deserve to live the rest of their lives in security and without fear.  I refuse to live is such a society.  Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that is consistent with his humanatarian views.  He wants to have the rich pay their fair share in taxes.  He wants to support the Veterans and Seniors.  He wants to provide education for all.  If we claim to be the richest nation in the world, all the things he wants to do can be done.

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:31 am

One big problem we have is the tax system. I believe it is a true statement, "The rich control the tax system."  This has been talked about for years, and I'm sure it will never be done. "Every body, businesses and all, pay a 25% tax, NO TAX WRITE-OFF'S. If a company goes overseas, they should also pay the same duty bringing things in as the country they moved to.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:48 am

9/16

           Sorry we're broke the politicians spent it all and that's Democrats and Republicans !

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:50 am

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                            Domenic


                                         Great Post !

                                                 Cheers..Joe
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:46 am

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                           Trump wins again..The other clowns especially Bush can't get
their act together..Sorry to say Ben Carson I lost respect for when he keeps bringing
up religion , religion has nothing to do with politics total turn off....Just read Hillary is
still falling in the polls and Biden is still un-decided...

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:20 am

Just about everyone on that stage except Trump was talking religion.  That's pretty scarey. It is quite logical as well.  Patriarchal society was logical in the cave man days because the physique of the male was more able to protect and the physique of the female needed protection so she could procreate and continue the race.

When spiritual thought and texts were recorded, men did the recording.  Thus they created gods as their brains at the time could conceive.  If it rained, there must be a rain god.  If the sun was shining there must be a sun god.  Then, along the way, the thought changed to "one god" so men wrote about that god in their image, a man in control and women subservient.

That relationship between men and women continued through world religions (with some exceptions) as men became educated and worked in society and women remained as homemakers.

Evolutionary changes along the way and changing society made it possible for women to gain the same strength as men in various parts of their life and for men to take on nurturing roles.  Yet, ancient religious texts are still used as the guide for male/female relationships.

Change is painful.  Developed countries have evolved faster than tribal nations.  Therefore, women have slowly stood side by side with men in some cases.  However, the ancient brain is slow to accept a woman as other than a home maker and child bearer and toy for man's sexual needs.  Many religions even keep women dressed in clothing that limits their behaviors.  Look at the women in Utah where that horrid flash flood took the lives of some polygamists. They dress like the 1800's.

The more religion is included in legislation, the more change in societal roles can be reduced to what men dictate.  Not all men feel this way by any means, but the majority of men who are deeply evangelical know the Biblical roles required for men and women - and so do the women in their lives. This is certainly in their belief system a relationship that makes a man's life quite comfortable.

So Biblical and religious text literalists who pick and choose the passages to fit their religion and life choices need to pass legislation to make them right, to hold onto their ancient brain beliefs and prevent the changes to society that are inevitable. 

The brain is evolving.  The body is evolving.  We have been evolving since we first branched off into a human species.  We no longer walk bent over - but many of us do in old age.  Our brains are larger.  We are taller.  And now we are again mixing the races that became different over time and evolution as they migrated to different lifestyles. Immigration is fixing what migration separated.

These changes don't need acceptance if we cling to a religion that dictates our every thought.  I am terrified of those politicians that cling to theirs and declare they will put it into legislation. Every person in this nation should shudder at the thought as we see what fanatical religion does in the rest of the world.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:03 am

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:13 am

9/18

               Just read this morning Trump has a meeting with Putin from
               Russia to see if they can negotiate as world leaders, it'll be
               private and at the UN , I guess he can succeed where our Pres.
               can't, time will tell..

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:25 am

Trump is popular in the US.  He is viewed as a clown from where I am.  No one is taking him seriously.  He doesn't represent the image people had of America. That image was lost with GWB and restored with Obama.  Trump would destroy all credibility.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:29 am

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                     Obama restored our image you must be joking ? He hasn't done 
  anything, Nada ! As they say here in the USA what does Europe know, nothing 
  they have no clue .....So they should keep out of our business....We know what's
  best for us, trust me we don't want a communist in power here like Hillary, Sanders
  or Biden .......

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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:17 am

The United States is a young nation with a diverse population.  Youth may always learn from the older, wiser nations if only what not to do and some ideas on how to do other things better.

Cuba is Communist.  I doubt that anyone would compare any politician in the U.S. to any lifestyle experience in Cuba.

There are many excellent posters with facts about what has happened to this country under the reign of the wealthy and powerful, especially during the Bush years.  I guess it is part of sanity to forget the ugly past and cling instead to some rosy picture of what did not exist under Republican rule.

President Obama has been a level and rational force in world politics, unmoved by the ranting and raving for full scale war.  Plans that would have provided rapid economic development and jobs  were stopped by Republicans whose sole aim at being in the majority was to "stop" progress so that President Obama would not have a positive legacy.  The fact that he was able to accomplish any goals was a mark of his true grit.

Recognition that his presidency was more than any republican had to offer came as he was elected the second time.  All the flack over the Affordable Care Act is about his success in accomplishing something for the U.S. citizens in need of insurance that no other administration had been able to do.  Anyone with money in the stock market knows that confidence in the government contributes to a solid stock market.  In spite of global economic trauma, our stock market has made a tidy income for those with anything to invest.

Doesn't it interest anyone that the Republicans keep harping on the Affordable Care Act destruction to cloud the fact that they have nothing positive to offer the voters?  Their whole platform is one of eliminating freedom of choice and destroying needed services.

The republican control and penchant for eliminating all government, especially that serving those without lobbyists and special interest money, has kept our nation's infrastructure development crumbling.  Allowing the extreme disparity in income between the very rich and the working class is another credit to Republicans - and credit they wish to continue.

Destroying all government includes Social Security, the Post Office, Medicare, Food Stamps, Housing Support, Veteran's Administration, Department of Education - note that all of these departments serve those least able to lobby in their own defense.

A vote for republicans is a vote to end all of the organizations listed above.  It's a vote to end universal insurance, public education, protection of the environment (which once was an issue for which republicans fought positively), the end of workplace safety and wage protections, the end of clean air and clean water in favor of unrestricted industry growth  - the China model.  And I haven't even mentioned the inclusion of evangelical Christian designed and written legislation that has no business in government at all.

A vote for republicans continues the divisive and labeling penchant that reflects subliminal white supremacy and wealthy supremacy at the expense of diversity.  It reflects the fear that old white men many not always be in control of this  country unless they hang onto their wealth and power and prevent the working classes from gaining any wage benefits or better lifestyles - as they used to say about women - keep them barefoot and pregnant.  Or they still think about women.

I do understand the fear of change.  That's what Trump reaches.  He reaches those Americans that fear the changing world around them and cling to their religion and fears that someone will take away the things they've managed to acquire and give them to someone else.  Yet, the very voters who have these fears and hatreds toward people that are different are giving power to those that will do what they fear - make sure that they are impoverished to benefit the super wealthy class. 

Making sure that taxation is fair, that the needy are nourished, that schools provide quality educations for all, that the bridges don't fall down, that the ownership of weapons is not killing our children in cities every day, that Veterans receive services, that elderly live in health and dignity, that ability to find meaningful work at a liveable wage is available to all, that medical care is affordable - these are only a few of the roles that government in a civilized society assists in providing to guarantee that that we not have what we have today - a few privileged live quality lives while the rest of the peasants service them from a subsistence existence.  The provision of these services is not Communism, it is the responsibility of a wealthy country full of resources to met the needs of all citizens, not just a privileged few.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:55 am

Impressive post, DK.  You covered many areas of concern. 

Joe, your post is not factual.
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PostSubject: Re: TRUMP?   Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:41 am

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                   As they say in the good old USA " Poppycock !" 
                   Every American knows Bernie Sanders would
                   make this country like another Venezuela, no
                   one has a middle road Democrats or Republicans
                   it's the same old bullshit ! So I say the American 
                   public should have a Prime Minister and a Parliament
                   No President no Congress and if we don't like them
                   just like they do in other countries their voted out of
                   power........Hillary ..don't even go their, washed up..
                   Why are the Liberal Dems running scared ? 

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