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Betty Fasig
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PostSubject: Hitler and trump   Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:38 pm

To me, Trump is the Hitler of our day.  People are ready to consider that white people are the chosen race.  I see it everywhere.  I do hope that we have learned something from the past.  But, it does not seem so.  I am afraid.  I  am.  Given the propaganda news machine, I am afraid.  Given that most people are just trying to make it day to day and do not read, I am afraid..  How to awaken the people is the question.  Bernie Sanders is trying.  I hope he is heard.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:34 pm

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                    Betty...

                              I am shocked  and totally beside myself that you of all people
   would compare Trump or anyone else to Adolph Hitler one of the  20th century's
   most monsterous people ! Not even I would even dream of doing that, I think you
   should think twice before even saying such a thing how would you like if someone
   said Bernie Sanders was like Adolph Hitler, I know you wouldn't like that? I know
   the Liberal Left hate certain people but enough is enough....!! 

                                                          Joe.......... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:26 pm

Joe, it may be better if we drop Adolph Hiter as the evil monster.  He has been given more credit than he deserves.  Perhaps we should start using Netanyahu for a comparison.  If you check his record, he is more qualified for modern day evil.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:03 am

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               I think next time Betty should think about what she's saying ! It's horrible
      to compare anyone to Adolph Hitler except Stalin, Mao and yes Fidel Castro these
      people were known to murder their own people...So Betty you should be ashamed
      of what you said....

                                                         Cheers.Joe.......... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:15 am

Too harsh Joe.  Betty used a man known to be evil and Hitler is at the top of the list.  I see that reference often on FB.  What I would like to see are people who represent what is happening in our world today and that I why I mentioned Netanyahu. 
When one realizes that killing of Palestinians occur daily.  Yes, you read it right, DAILY.  In addition, Palestinians are put in Israeli jails without trial.  Some have been there for 19 years.  Even children are jailed for throwing stones at Israeli soldiers.  It gets worse when one digs.  There is so much evil that is simply ignored by the West and it makes me sick.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:28 am

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                I have closed my Face Book page officially, I cannot in all good
 faith stay there and see all the Left Liberal propaganda slander against people
and if you don't agree with them they get vicious, this is disgusting behavior I
have never seen such low class trash in years, the far left liberals have gone too
far ! and they know who they are, the far left liberals and I do mean Democrats
are way the hell out of hand.....I must make a decision here should I stay here
or leave because there's so much liberal left hatred by certain people here who
don't know how to act like ladies and gentlemen.....Eight years of history will be
gone for good....
                    
                 Goodbye Shelagh...Goodbye Alice....Goodbye Don...

                                                       Cheers..Joe..... Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:52 am

Don't leave us, Joe.  We like you and enjoy you.

Who is hateful here?  We have opinions, but so do you.  Let's share them and try to understand each other.

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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:05 am

Betty was merely stating her opinion.  You can agree with her or disagree, which you did.  NO ONE NEEDS TO LEAVE
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:23 am

Leaving FB or this forum won't change opinions.  In fact it may increase the opinion about those who left.  Everyone want to be right in how they view a situation.  Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are not.  Enlightenment comes from hearing opposing views.  It can be very lonely having views and keeping them to yourself. 
I don't expect everyone to agree or even like what I post.  At least they know how I feel and if they really are interested in knowing why, I will try and tell them.  Sometimes views are a collection of life's experiences and from sources not available to everyone.  Why trash the messenger?
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:08 am

If we all agreed, what a bore!


I am interested in you and what you think.
I like what Betty thinks too.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:29 am

Joe, you can't leave. You and the forum are joined at the hip.

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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:20 pm

Shelagh wrote:
Joe, you can't leave. You and the forum are joined at the hip.

Shelagh is correct.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:32 pm

Each of us at one time or another have a passionate opinion that we express here because over the years we feel safe to do so.  We have our differences of opinion.  That is what makes life interesting - but we try not to attack another person as each of us sharing a cup of coffee would find much to like in the other.

My lifelong best friend is still just that - and we are at totally opposite political and religious points on the spectrum.  We choose to agree to disagree but continue to care about our friendship more than the differences in our opinion.

Whenever we label a person by their opinions, we are losing sight of the total person - all that we love about them that is separate from one little opinion with which we may heartily disagree.

I understand why people are Republicans and why they are Democrats and why they are neither.  We all gather around us the information that supports our point of view whether it is correct or not.  We want to be right so we reinforce ourselves.

For certain, the politicians and the politics of the U.S. is not a worthy reason to end friendships or even quarrel very much.  It's all for show, for financing, for power and for whatever people gain by running for office and acting like they govern.  We know the system is broken, and we are helpless to fix it.  Thus, we do not need to snarl at each other because we get caught in one wave or another.

Personally, I think the things that come out of Donald Trump are indicative of a dinosaur that has no business in the White House.  That's my opinion.  It may be very wrong.  I sure don't see him representing the family values supported by his adopted Republican party (I believe he was a Democrat and an Independent at different times.)

I believe there are no Republican candidates that deserve to sit in the White House.  Hopefully, they find one or my opinion changes along the way.  I am quite disappointed in all of them.

Hillary Clinton is not a real exciting candidate though she is the best qualified by experience, education and temperament.

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are too upsetting to the far right because they are so obviously for the population in general and not the top 1%.  It is the top 1% that controls elections, so they are just a bit too far in favor of a diverse, educated and employed middle and lower class and protections for a safe and secure United States.  That's a radical idea for those who want to throw out the immigrants, end universal insurance coverage, take away women's rights to make decisions for their own health and bodies and reduce funding for the sick and disenfranchised.

Dear Joe Biden is just too old for me, too much a part of the old guard - yet also very qualified.  I just like and respect him in spite of his occasional gaffs.  They add to his charm in my book.

Shall I go on?  I vote for our friends of various opinions on this forum to keep shouting their beliefs for each of us to love or hate while we care about each person here because they are worthy of love and people of good character.  We are in good company on a board with a swell monitor.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:38 pm

Joe,
Over the years I've learned not to stand for, or against people I don't know. I never knew Hitler, and I don't know trump? I've read most things you have posted on this forum over the years...seen your art. I think you're a good guy, but I only know you from the forum? For all I know you could be a ten foot giant women with green hair. Betty thinks I'm a jerk. Sometimes I think I'm a jerk. I do know this about people Joe, we are all worth 100%, even the bad ones. I guess the reason we think some people are bad is because we can't read their heart. Never stand on what a person says, or does, because we can't see why their heart moved in that direction. Take a few days off the forum Joe, then come back. You have earned your spot on this forum along with Dick, and Ann.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:55 pm

Domenick, well said. We pick up things and repeat them sometimes, not realizing that we are commenting about people we do not know.  It's something most of us do.  The propaganda, over and over again, helps us in this, wanting us to label and feel like we know.

And, as you said, though many of us have been posting together nearly ten years and more for some, if we have not met, we are words on paper that have tied us together without the fullness of the person presenting them.

And, yes, we are all okay, just as we are, just as we think.  All of our opinions are just that - opinions.  None more valid than the other.  Together, we muddle through the problems of life, hopefully broadening our perspective because a colleague on this forum disagrees with us and we can see the picture slightly differently.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:57 pm

Well said Domenic.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:10 am

Well, where is Joe?
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:59 pm

Dear Joe
I would like to say that I am not trash, liberal or otherwise.  I am sorry you are so offended by my comparison of Trump to Hitler.  I do have my reasons and the correlations are big.  Hitler was elected by a populace who hated the Jewish population.  His answer was to "cleanse" the country of that ethnic and racial group.  He wanted to deport "them all" and when he could not do that, he built a wall and when that did not work he tried to kill them all. Trump's idea of deporting millions of Mexicans who would have to prove their citizenship to stay is unconscionable.  This whole Mexican thing is drummed up by the right wing to divert attention from what the war mongers would like to do.  That is to bomb iran and you can believe they will not have a son in the battle. 
If you leave this forum because of my difference of opinion, I am sorry for you. 
Domenic, I am sure you think I am a jerk.  I really do not think you are a big jerk.  I think you are over opinionated, as I am myself.
Diane is the voice of sanity here and Shelagh is the boss.  I love and respect everyone.  I am not trash.
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:27 pm

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              Betty..

                        No one said you were trash ! You stated that not me, and as far as the dam
   Mexican thing is try living in a state that gets thousands of people who come across illegally 
   like Texas, California, Arizona and yes New Mexico and that's an illegal act if I did it in Mexico
   I would be put in prison they have very strict immigration laws, you see I don't mind if people
   came here the legal way get on line like everyone else, my family came to NYC in 1865 from
   Germany to Ellis Island and if you coughed the wrong way your tush went back no and ifs and
   buts about it,...By the way I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat,  I'm middle of the road who
   wants to see this country get out of it's rut, what we need is a National ID Card like they have
   in Europe for decades. I found out recently they now have a Passport ID Card $35.00 verses 
   $125- to renew a regular passport, I may get one it's through the Govt. better than a drivers
   license...Here in NM our dear former Gov. Richardson made our city a sanctuary city, guess
   those who came here illegally can't find a job I don't know who told them this was paradise ? 
   You see them walking the streets looking for work at people's homes, I read there's a few 
   thousand or more.....I just love when the politicians on both sides get people all fired up and
   guess what they don't give a Sh.t about you me or anyone else....I am male hear me roar !
   Happy birthday to me....



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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:14 pm

Betty, 

Your comments about Hitler are not supported by historical fact. Yes, he was a fascist and responsible for many atrocities but he did not build the Berlin Wall. Donald Trump is more aligned with Nigel Farage (leader or UKIP), who is anti-immigration, than with Hitler.

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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:17 pm

Happy birthday, Joe!

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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:49 pm

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                  Shelagh..

                               Thanks it was yesterday....I guess I'll live another 99 yrs LOL.

                                                Cheers.........Joe........ Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:08 pm

Happy belated birthday.  Enjoy many more!
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PostSubject: Re: Hitler and trump   Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:31 pm

Your 67 Joe...good age.


Well now, this thread has stepped on one of my history projects…Hitler/Gibson.



Mel Gibsons father Howard Gibson was U.S.Army officer during WW2. When the war ended, President Trumen was given photo’s of the so called death camps. Trumans comment was, “They could have killed six million people.” That is where the figure six million came from. President Truman sent a group of army officers to Europe to see how many, and who Hitler murdered. Howard Gibson was one of these officers. Gibson was a man after my own heart…”Gather all the facts before you write anything.” He gathered the records around Europe as to how many Jews were there in 1933. THERE WAS ONLY 3,000,000,. The Germans took over two million Russians POW’s that went into the camps…most of these could not be found after the war.



All what they call death camps were built near factories. The people in the camps were the work force for Germany during the war. Most German men were in the Army. Gibson asked, “Why would Hitler kill his work force when he was fighting a war on three fronts? Good question. The zones of Erupe held by the Western nations tore down all the camps. The only one left with what is termed a gas chamber was in the Russian sector. A group of men who built gas chambers in American prisons inspected it. There report read, “It could not have been used as a gas chamber. It had large vents in the roof, and drains in the floor. The doors were made of wood, and the bottom of the doors were a good two inches off the floor. If these were used as gas chambers, everybody within five miles would have been killed. True they killed many people in the camps who could not work. Many died of hunger. Even the guards had little food. Many died of sickness. Howard Gibson came up with a figure of 500,000, and suggested many of these were Russian POW’s.



In Howard Gibsons later years he posted this on the web. His son Mel Gibson had just made the movie, The Passion of the Christ. The Jews in Hollywood asked Mel, “What do you have to say about what your father is saying?” Mel replied, “That’s my father, I’m not going there.”



During the war crime trials, Herman Goring said on the stand, “I don’t think Hitler knew people were being killed in the camps.

You can also google, Jews in the German Army during WW2...many, eveh high ranking officers.

Do I think Hitler was a bad guy? I have no idea? Hitler had written early in his movement, “The winner writes history.” I guess that goes for all history.
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