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PostSubject: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:51 pm

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            The Supreme Court has made a historic decision, giving gay people the rights
            for same sex marriage, thank God for the Supreme Court. I believe if it wasn't
            for President Obama's beliefs and push and the people's will it might not have 
            happened . Gay men and woman will now have the rights to be in charge of 
            each other in case one is ill and not be third degreed by Dr.'s and hospitals, 
            plus the right to inherit and do things for each other like everyone else and 
            not be dragged through the courts by relatives who want to be greedy and 
            try to challenge what rightfully is there's , I do believe it should have been
            called " Civil Ceremony With All Rights By Law," that would stop the hate that
            spewing from the religious right, I can never believe nor understand how people
            can be so hateful ! Especially the religious right, one Baptist Minister said he
            would set himself un-fire we'll I have the matches, to me he isn't a decent
            human being nor are the religious right Republicans running for President who
            are turning me off !  I can't stand the pandering politicians do........

                                                   Cheers....Joe

                       
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:44 pm

The audacity of the religious right never ceases to amaze me.  They are "worried" that passing rights to gay people will somehow take rights away from religion?  No one is stopping anyone from practicing their religious beliefs. If they don't believe in gay marriage then they don't have to engage in gay marriage.  However, the religious right no longer has the opportunity to influence state and federal government politicians by their religious belief and deny rights to others.

It was the literal Bible folk who put the strong arm on legislators to make religious practice of certain religious people the law of the land.  The Supreme Court correctly ruled they did not have the right to deny family, respect, and civil and legal benefits to other persons not of the same religious vein.

That's the irony. Biblical zealots fought to have their religious beliefs forced on those not a party to those beliefs yet cry foul though they may fully continue with their beliefs but just may not stop others from living within a different set.

It's difficult to describe.  One cleric made it very clear.  His very Bible was threatened - not everyone had to abide by what his Bible said.  That was a denial of religious beliefs?  Those who are Biblical literalists may remain so as far as I know.

Huh?  So far as I know there was no ruling about anything in the Bible.  The ruling was about people having family and legal rights equal to other families and committed relationships.  Those are rules of men.  Whatever religious marriage beliefs a person has are not where they belong - not in the legislature - but between people and their religious community.

Once again, those Biblical literalists know the  mind of God and what God intended.  Funny, but across the globe different people have beliefs that are very spiritual but they have never read our western Bible.  I believe they have opinions about God's intention as well.
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:56 pm

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                           DK...

                                   Very well said........


                                   Cheers................................Joe.......
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:22 am

The comments on my facebook feed are mainly from the liberal left not the conservative right. Some of those comments are positive and celebratory, while others are anything but magnaminous in winning! It would be much better if we could all get along with each other and accept our differences instead of this "us and them" attitude where neither side will accept the other.

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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:14 am

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                  It's interesting how human beings label each other instead of helping
                  each other, no we fight each other and their are as I agree much more
                  important issues to deal with such as helping to feed children, helping
                  seniors , housing, food, you name it , it needs attention .....

                                                          Cheers......Joe......... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:26 am

Two Supreme Court decisions this past week.  I applaud the one - The Affordable Care Act.  It is the second time this has been brought to the Supreme Court and they did the right thing.  Healthcare concerns all Americans.  The other issue concerning same-sex marriage I personally don't give a rats ass about.  We already have laws on the books governing marriage.  Creating a new set of rules for a new twist on civil union is not my concern, however I do see a connection to ACA.  Without good health, marriage or civil union wouldn't or couldn't take place.
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:28 am

As you all know I believe in the Bible...but on the issue of gay marriage, leave religion out. I have read on this thread most members agree the passing of gay marriage is a good thing. I am one who judges if something is good, or bad by past history. In this case, every nation in the past where homosexual activity's have been accepted as normal, have fallen shortly after. Is seems the flood gates of immorality start flowing in all directions, leaving nothing that binds a nation together. Has anybody asked, “Okay, what is next?” I have also stated in the past, “All religions are false.” I have said this because the very Bible religions claim to stand by, they do not follow…religious leaders are bold faced liars. They do not follow Gods word on major issues. The courts ruled for gay marriage: but look at the vote…5 for, 4 against.
What is next? No country can stand when they put morals aside. Yes I also believe Gay people are that why from birth, and they can not help their feelings. Do I look down on gay people? No I do not. But I do not accept their life style as normal. To pass laws that demand I must adjust my morals to satisfy Gays, is taking away my moral rights.

I am also a smoker, and the world is fast becoming a non-smoking world. I will still smoke if I have to make my own. I will not except gay life style as part of my morals. I don’t give a damn if the whole world goes gay, and I am the last straight person on earth, my morals mean more to me than my life. Do I believe gays should have the same rights as all other Americans? Yes, and they already had that…this marriage thing has opened the door very wide for other issues that in a short time will destroy what is left of this broken nation. We are now in FREE_FALL.
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:36 am

The LGBT community is seeing same sex marriage as the first step in gaining equal rights. There is far more to come, but I won't be wasting my time reading about it. If this is what the American people want, sobeit.

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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:11 am

Shelagh, when you say "if this is what the American people want" 
I think you already see the pros and cons about this.  Some want it while others don't.
I believe that Domenic's views are shared by many.  I also believe that many Bible believers pick and choose what they want to believe.  We see that with politics and the far Right.

I don't know how many of you watched the video of Obama's Euology in SC.  It was impressive and covered a wide range of issues.  At the end, he lead the singing of "Amazing Grace". 
Recommended viewing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:52 am

Gays in America already had the same rights as all others Americans...the law on marriage was, a man, and a women. All other rights they had. Most Americans wanted to keep the marriage law as, a man, and a women. Three of the court were put in place by Obama. There are only nine on the court. The five who made it law, are not doing what the people want, they are doing what Obama wants...birds of a feather flock together...is he one?
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:45 am

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               Now not to get into a major argument because I know Abe is set in his 
    ways and many times can come off as nasty but I accept him for who he is and
    I accept Dominic for what he believes in that is a democracy, but I don't think
    many people who are not gay understand that when two people live together
    and one gets ill, they have no rights , the Dr.'s , Hospitals, etc, families who 
    want to be greedy will interfere between these two people and take over why
    because either there is  no documents such as will, living will, etc to back them
   up many people don't think of having these, I personally have know people who
   went through this and this also includes straight couples living together who aren't
   married, I say the way they should have labeled it ( Boy am I gonna get slack over
   this,) " Civil Ceremony," with the rights built into this , I do agree they should have 
   not called it " Marriage," then again the far left and I mean the very far left gay groups
   wanted it that way and I say it's wrong, I asked a friend who's gay why do all the gay
   men become far left democrats and he said because they hope Pres. Obama will give
   them what they want....I want to know why the hell severe right wing Republicans are
   bringing in religion into politics, maybe they want their vote ? I'm so turned off to the
   Republican party you have no idea ! I just want to throw up ! I read the other day on
   Face Book some Baptist Minister in Texas has threatened to torch himself over the 
   decision, what a moron, why can't people just live together and drop their hatred and
   yes prejuidces  ?  ...
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:31 am

Joe, I visited my parents last week to celebrate my dad's ninetieth birthday. In a conversation with my brother, he said at  the start of the conversation that marriage should be available to everyone (he's single!). I explained the difference between a civil partnership and a civil marriage. The partnership has been legal in the UK since 2003. Everyone liked it. In fact, heterosexual couples wanted partnerships, too! For divorcees, who cannot marry in a church anyway, with grown families, a civil partnership protected the inheritance of both families. Husband and wife could leave money to their spouses and directly to their own children. So they asked for civil partnerships, but the government said no. Which means these couples have to marry and hope they remain on good terms, or stay unmarried to protect the inheritance of their respective families. My brother started to see the advantages of a civil partnership. 

When same sex marriage became an issue, people objected on the grounds of religion. The truth is that it was all about money. Same sex marriages are now legal in the UK, which means all the disadvantages of marriage as well as the advantages. Divorce is a costly business, financially and emotionally, especially where children are concerned.

The LGBT community is already campaigning for the next set of rights: 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/26/same-sex-marriage-is-legal-now-what.html

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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:56 am

The slippery slide has been greased! Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:59 am

Shelagh, the program in the UK sounds like a workable and fair program.
I don't know when or where I formed my thoughts on marriage, but it seems it was always about having children.  It most likely was religion related and that's the way it was.  At that time, there were issues about inter-racial marriage and that too had something to do with how the children would turn out.  
With same sex marriages, children are not an issue except for adoption and in that case a civil law ordinance would make sense.  There are marriages with wealthy people who enter into a pre-nuptial agreement.  If it is a question of who brings what to a partnership, then a simple contract should suffice.
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PostSubject: Re: The Supreme Court And President Obama   Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:42 pm

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                    Shelagh..

                                 I think their pushing the envelope too far !
                   Okay everyone got what they wanted, drop it ! No 
                   the religious right has gone to the point of madness,
                   if I had money I would go live in any European country
                   country, why because I know they look at things 
                   completely different not like here....

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