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Domenic Pappalardo
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:22 pm

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I don't agree with you.

Alice Dear,
You believe in the Bible...read about the eight world power. Read history, America is the eight world power...What is in the Bible, man can't change.
You voted for Obama? Your vote means nothing. You could have voted for Mickey Mouse. If Satan wanted Bozo the clown in office, he would have won. Again, read your Bible. it says Satan is the God of this system of things, and who he wants he puts into authority. All the Governments of the world are under Satan...if they are not, than the Bible is false. I for one, know the Bible is not false. God says to be happy when you see these things, because your salvation is near.
You say you believe in God, and the Bible, so why do you not agree with me?
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:26 pm

How about God puts people in power and takes them out?
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:28 pm

3/9

                         Dominic..

                                       Remember the Pied Piper Of Hamlin , think about it, that's is
  what has happened in this country...Nobody sees it.. Oh the lady on the election 
  button is my Governor Of New Mexico the first woman to be a Governor..

                                                            Cheers....Joe
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:23 pm

alice wrote:
How about God puts people in power and takes them out?

How about: 2Corinthians 4:4
"among whom the God of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God might not shine through."

There is another scripture where Satan took Jesus upon a high place, and offered him all the kingdoms of the earth, because he had authority over them...would you like to see that one also?

Nowhere in the scriptures has God given man the right to rule other men. The first to do so was Nimrod, who was in
opposition to God. He was also the builder of the tower of Babel.
Alice, please don't take this as an insult, but if you are going to believe in the Bible, you should read it more.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:25 pm

How are you feeling Joe? I hear you were sick? I like your new look.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:37 pm

I think Obama  has been treated despicably.  The congressmen have done everything possible to undermine his peace negotiation.  I call Foul.


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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:17 pm

3/9

                         Domenic...

                                          Thanks..I'm waiting to hear from my Dr. about some 
  heart tests I took......I'll let you know...

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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:20 pm

Dear Alice,
I am not a Bible thumper like Dom is.  I take the whole book with the grains of sand and salt it was meant because time changes the way things are and people grow and emerge in spirits that only God could have conceived. 
It is enough. God has no religion. 
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:10 pm

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                               And God is  all knowing...

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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:12 pm

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Dear Alice,
I am not a Bible thumper like Dom is.  I take the whole book with the grains of sand and salt it was meant because time changes the way things are and people grow and emerge in spirits that only God could have conceived. 
It is enough. God has no religion. 
Love,
Betty

I'm not a Bible thumper...what ever that means., and like God, I have no religion. And yes, people may change, but God does not. I'm sure when you die, and stand before him, you will give him your understanding about his written word lost in grains of sand, and salt.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:13 am

I am a Bible thumper and proud of it.  Dom and I just read and emphasize different parts of it.  that is why there are so many different religions.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:50 am

alice wrote:
I am a Bible thumper and proud of it.  Dom and I just read and emphasize different parts of it.  that is why there are so many different religions.

Alice, if it was okay for people to believe Gods words in different ways, why did he not say that? I have known some people who read just little sections of the Bible, but never study all of it...yet they claim to know God.
Here is a simple question I ask new people: In Genesis, the first book of the Bible, it speaks of a serpent. I ask, "Who is the serpent?" Most reply, "Satan." Well it does not say Satan, so how do they know it is Satan? To make the Bible clear, there are other scriptures that give answers. To the question, "Who is the serpent in the Garden,(book of genesis)" the answer is found in only one other book of the Bible. Revelation 12:9

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan.

No it is not okay for those who believe in God to have different understandings. God has one set of laws for all people. One set of instructions for all people.
If religions were from God, they would all be saying the same things, and would all follow his written word. Since they don't it should be clear to Christians, "Religions are not from God, but man made...and if they are man made, they come from only one source...that original serpent...the one called Devil, and Satan."

I have been teaching Gods written word for more than fifty years. I am part of no religion, nor do I have a church.
Most members on this forum are along in years. Within the next few years we may all be in the grave. Would it not be better to know what happens after we die? Do we fly off into space? Are we atoms making up the read bumper of new car? what becomes of us? This, and many other questions are answered in Gods written word. But none of these words are of any value unless the Bible can be proven true. Can the Bible be proven true?  I would not teach it if I could not answer that with a YES.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:51 am

In that very moment their thoughts perish.  From dust they came from dust they return.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:24 pm

I do not believe that we were ever meant to take the bible literally. That's where all the problems come in. Different languages interpret words differently, and the world is constantly changing. God is Universal and recognizes the validity of different perspectives. God is not a "him" or a "her" God is not a being, but the source of all Being. God is Total Reality and no mere human being can grasp that Reality. All we have are minute and incomplete perspectives. We can come a bit closer if we put those perspectives together. To do that, we have to accept the validity of other peoples perspectives.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:34 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:36 pm

However, I do believe the 10 commandments  were for real.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:41 pm

Dom, I hope you do the same when you stand before God.  You are a jerk, you do know that, don't you?
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:06 pm

alj wrote:
I do not believe that we were ever meant to take the bible literally. That's where all the problems come in. Different languages interpret words differently, and the world is constantly changing. God is Universal and recognizes the validity of different perspectives. God is not a "him" or a "her"  God is not a being, but the source of all Being. God is Total Reality and no mere human being can grasp that Reality. All we have are minute and incomplete perspectives. We can come a bit closer if we put those perspectives together. To do that, we have to accept the validity of other peoples perspectives.

alj,
 Free gives all the freedom to believe the sky is blue, or has no color at all. To believe in God, or in our own thinking. What freedom does not give, is the ability to change the truth.  I hope you are feeling better. Are you still under your doctor?

Dear Betty,
We have all been jerks at times...but only by those who know us well. I won't take insult that you think I'm a jerk...you do not know me, nor I you. I think that is a good thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:28 pm

The sky is not blue.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:08 pm

3/10

                            " Hillary Gate,:"   Great New Scandal...

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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:40 pm

Not near as scandalous as the 47 senators writing to the enemy.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:19 pm

Or the President who's sucking up to the enemy,
                      that's going against our Congress, very bad, they
                      can impeach him for power grabbing........

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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:40 am

Disagree with your remarks, Joe.  Trying to negotiate a peaceful solution is not "sucking up to the enemy".  It seems to me that the Republicans want war.  Netanyahu’s speech to congress was just the tip of the iceberg.  Israel has un-declared nuclear weapons.  They don’t want anyone else in the Middle East to have them and have threatened to attack Iran.  It doesn’t take much speculation to realize that such an attack would lead to another world war.  With Israel, we have a “Tiger by the tail”.  Negotiations with the “so-called enemy” for a peaceful solution are something to be applauded.  Who determined that Iran is the enemy?
Don’t you find it strange that we place sanctions on Russia for their incursion into the Ukraine and make statements that we will not accept the taking of land of another by force or occupation/annexation?  There is now the situation with Venezuela where sanctions are being considered for their abuse of human rights.  At the same time, there are no sanctions against the flagrant violations of human rights, illegal occupation of land and the continued genocide of the Palestinians.  We continue to send Billions to Israel.  Cutting off funds to Israel until they comply with international law could be effective as sanctions.
Remember the Cold War?  The Soviet Union and America had the nuclear weapons and there was balance.  It also maintained the peace.  One could make the case that if Iran had nuclear weapons the threat of war would be diminished.  In my view, if Israel gave up their nuclear arsenal, Iran would not feel the need to have them.  The threat from Israel is real and they would pull us into a war.  The support for Israel is so strong in the US that they defy us when it suits them and they get away with it.  Interfering in the internal affairs of our country cannot be tolerated.  His speech to congress was intended to derail the on-going negotiations with Iran.  That is flagrant interference.  The invitation for him to speak was a treasonous act.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:46 am

3/11

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                                    As much as we disagree to agree, your right !

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PostSubject: Re: Let's Talk   Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:16 pm

I'm reading about the Plantagenet king's of England during the 12th century. It's pointing out to me how far we have come. Those kings - from William the Bastard, known today as William the Conquerer, through at least Henry the 2nd (where I am now) they knew nothing but war. Times of peace did no exist. War was the way things were.  I like reading Penman because her history is so accurate. You know  what she says is what really happened. 

So we have come a long way in changing our concepts. War is becoming intolerable. Not sure why this subject always comes back to Israel, though.
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