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PostSubject: ISOL or ISIS   Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:00 pm

You have to wonder.  What kind of savagery exists nowadays.  What to do about it is another question.
There seems to be no answer.

I don't think anyone we can think of for a President will be able to fix it either.
We need to round these thugs up and incarcerate them and civilize them.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:27 pm

This thread has had over 20 reads and 0 answers.  I generally delete  after 10 reads, but will wait a bit on this one.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:47 pm

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                      Alice..

                                  Your being nieve these thugs as you call them are terrorists, what
they did today to that poor young Jordanian Pilot was horrible ( Burning him alive,) they
aren't human beings, every nation on this planet needs to put a stop to them...I heard
earlier they have an American Woman as hostage an aid worker...

                                                                Cheers...Joe
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:11 pm

Jordan retaliated by hanging the two ISIS prisoners they had.  Jordan was willing to exchange the prisoners for the pilot and wanted confirmation that the pilot was still alive.  When ISIS killed the pilot, they hung the prisoners.  This has sparked the Arab world to take a much stronge position against ISIS.  In my view, it is more effective for the Arabs to deal with the situation than the West.
There won't be any solution that will happen overnight.  It requires patience and careful planning.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:48 am

"Hunter's for Justice" by D.J. Stephens is a good solution to the problem.  Perhaps the Pentagon should read this book.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:32 pm

How about we exclude the middle east from our news?
It is a process known as extinguishment--what does not get attention ceases.

It is worth a try.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:31 pm

It's calle The " A BOMB,"  

                              Joe
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:58 pm

joefrank wrote:
It's calle The " A BOMB,"  

                              Joe


Then we have stooped to their level.

Where do you want it dropped?
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:37 pm

I leave that to the big shots at the Pentagon..

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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:50 pm

The Vikings were barbarians. Europe had the Crusades.We had the Hatfields and McCoys.  We've had the Indians and the Cowboys.  We've had the barbarism of slavery and segregation.  We paid for scalps. We have no perfection in us to hold in such high regard.  We do have evolutionary changes in our beliefs and behaviors often "encouraged" through legislation because we attempt to separate church and state.  However, the Republican party has cleverly captured our own fanatical religious fringes to legislate their beliefs for the rest of us.  The fanatical fringes have had their false prophets, murders and suicides in the name of "faith."

That doesn't excuse the barbarism, but those people are living in the tribal world with modern communication are pretty messed up.  It's like giving a cell phone to a cave person.  Their brain is in a fight mode when what they need is education and work besides being paid to kill.  They are vulnerable due to their poverty and fanatical religious beliefs.  So long as they believe that they are the one true religion and the rest of the world is heathens (Like the Crusades) then no non-believer has value, they are less than human.

When I saw us bombing Baghdad and those people lived in dirt hovels with dirt floors and hadn't recovered from the wars - I was sick.  They live like cave people.  They either live very wealthy or they live in dirt.  Much like this country is becoming - two classes - those who live in their bubble of wealth and excess off the labors of those without opportunity to gain.  Much like the peasants and nobility of England or the Kings and peasants of any European nation. Those who control the money control the impoverished.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:13 pm

My dear they live in the 11th century and they will never come out of it...
       The only ones who did are the wealthy shieks who are as phony as a two
       dollar bill, becuase in the 1920's they all lived in tents, their were no rich
       shieks until this country and England showed them how to get the oil out
       of the ground, I don't like when people use religion for their own gain...

                                                      Cheers..Joe
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:00 pm

joefrank wrote:
It's calle The " A BOMB,"  

                              Joe
Joe:
Where would you suggest dropping it?  New York or Chicago, France or Australia.  Maybe New Mexico or Nevada?
 
These people don't have a country!  They are probably even some of your neighbors!
 
This is a religious war whether carried on by fanatics or not, it is still about religious beliefs.
 
It’s gone on for four thousand years...Can you say Crusades...and unless GOD decides it’s gone on long enough, it will continue for another four thousand years.
 
Man is too stupid and self-serving to come up with a reasonable solution that doesn’t include the annihilation of anyone that doesn’t believe the way they do, be that religion or politics (democracy).
 

JMHO…won’t debate it.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:13 am

Agree with DK and Don.  Until one has seen/witnessed the manner in which people live can one begin to understand the cause of the problems?  What we see on TV is selective and although it gives one some idea of living conditions, it cannot give the whole picture.  The knee-jerk reaction by some in the West is to paint them as barbarians - sub human.  With that mindset, the next step is to wipe them off the map.  I recall reading about this mind-set concerning the Native Americans.  It was during that time when Scalp Hunters thrived.  We don't like to hear about our own bad history, but what happened can't be undone.  Unfortunately the mentality that prevailed during these bad times still exists.  The only change is in the method of killing and the selected targets.
I just read that one Palestinian child has been killed every three days for the past thirteen years and that there are over 250 Palestinian children in Israeli jails.  Their crime:  Throwing stones at the occupiers.  What happens when the family of these victims take revenge?  They are labelled terrorists. 
What we see in the news is subject to the reporting agency and those who control the news.  It is naive to think that we know everything that is happening in the world.  We know only what the media chooses to tell us.  When investigative reporters go into action, we see and hear what is already history.  There are private sources for information, however when sharing privately obtained information, it is seldom believed. 
We have a real problem with ISIS.  Is wiping them off the map the solution?  Is it even possible?  Taking out the ISIS leadership seems to be a more practical approach.  Bombing is much like chemo-therapy where it kills all the cells in the area of exposure - not just the bad ones. Just as science seeks a better way to deal with cancer, perhaps we should be looking at a better way to deal with the cancer in our society.  Looking for a quick fix is part of the problem.  That too is a mentality.  We want things fast.  We find that mentality in how we prepare our food and with our method of transportation. Finding the right solutions and implementing them are the crux of the problem.  Politics and religion tend to be the barriers.  We seek a Utopia knowing that there is no such place. 
Patience and understanding, IMV, are necessary to find solutions and implement them.  It requires courage to make the tough decisions take bold steps.  Only a leader with power and nothing to lose will take those risks.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:08 am

What i wonder is the technique  which they  use, it is modern  war technology and an array, where that all come from? Who feed them? The arms and Import?  it can't  be just a loot?
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:32 am

Hi, Harry,

Welcome!  Glad to see you again.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:59 am

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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:07 am

Now they, Isol, have burned  a whole bunch of people alive!  What next? 
It is scary.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:15 pm

Can't get into this one with you guys. I did like what Don Stevens said earlier, I think. We need to watch without trying to solve a problem that is too complex for a writer's board. Just me.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:53 pm

Ann, 
When you are right, you, are so right.
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PostSubject: Re: ISOL or ISIS   Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:53 pm

I wonder if we are over -nused.  Today a young man, 41, said he had spent 8 years in the military I asked him which  war  he was in and he said, "Bosnia."

I said, " I am so glad you are alive."
I said,"At least they didn't burn people alive then," and he answered, 
"Oh yes they did."
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