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Subject: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:48 am
http://www.heforshe.org/
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Now it’s time to unify our efforts. HeForShe is a solidarity movement for gender equality that brings together one half of humanity in support of the other of humanity, for the entirety of humanity.
The campaign was officially launched by the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women. This address by Emma Watson was made to the UN:
https://www.facebook.com/heforshe
“Apparently I am among the ranks of women whose expressions are seen as too strong, too aggressive, isolating, anti-men and, unattractive. Why is the word such an uncomfortable one?”
Forest Whitaker is a real man:
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Forest Whitaker ✔ @ForestWhitaker Proud to support the #HeForShe campaign of @UN_Women 4:45 PM - 20 Sep 2014
Russell Crowe is a real man:
Are there any real men around here?
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:47 am
I'm an honorary, real man. Just ask Domenic ... or E. Don.
alj Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:59 am
Me, too, apparently
Victor D. Lopez Four Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:29 am
I'm afraid my head might explode if I dig deeply into this. If the essence of the message is men standing up for women's rights to be treated equally, to receive the same privileges as men, the same salary for the same work with the same credentials, the same respect for the validity of their ideas and ideals, the freedom to pursue any and all avenues for which they are equipped by their skill, training and ability, and to stop reactionary forces around the world led by male troglodytes that treat women as second class citizens at best and chattel at worst, count me in.
If this is yet another meaningless effort to impose political correctness for its own sake, count me out. I'd like to believe it is the former in which case I am always and forever a supporter. Men standing up for and with women to demand equal treatment and equal respect as a universal right is something all people of good conscience should support not just by joining a group or re-tweeting a post but by standing up for mothers, sisters, wives, daughters, colleagues, friends and neighbors when they face unfair treatment, when they are marginalized, when they are not appropriately recognized and when they are discriminated against simply because of their sex. In a relativistic world where we are afraid of passing judgment on the actions of others, I firmly believe that anyone who disagrees on this point is simply and forever WRONG.
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:52 am
, Victor!
alj Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:01 pm
That's our Victor
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:48 pm
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! What a grand world we would have by not wasting the precious resources that women bring to the party as partners with men.
Domenic Pappalardo Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:56 pm
Shelagh wrote:
I'm an honorary, real man. Just ask Domenic ... or E. Don.
Shelagh, I have never said one bad word about you. Your comment shows what the other side of your face looks like.
Shelagh Admin
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:07 am
Hi Domenic,
Good to see you. I hope you saw the tongue in my cheek on the other side of my face.
Don Stephens Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:02 am
What Victor said!
Anyone thinking women aren't up to it...take note:
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:05 am
I saw that, Don. She's an inspiration.
Victor D. Lopez Four Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:19 am
Extraordinary, Don. Here is one of my favorite women/human beings in a similar vein. If only she would run for president . . . SUZANNE M. "ZAN" VAUTRINOT.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:02 am
What is a REAL MAN and what is a REAL WOMAN?
alj Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:15 am
What is a REAL MAN and what is a REAL WOMAN?
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First comment:
A real man and woman never go by what a society says that they are real or not; they know they are real. He/she are the type of people who accept/ change when necessary their faults. They are the ones who rise to the challenge with dignity and grace
Sentence structure isn't perfect, but the sentiment is right on.
Don Stephens Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:02 pm
Victor, way to smart to want the job of president.
Abe F. March Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:32 am
What is this crap about being a real man or real woman? Opposites attract and like repels. A male has the equipment needed to provide and protect. A Woman is equipped for reproduction. She is tender, sensitive, sympathetic, loving and supportive of her partner with enough intelligence to know when to hold her tongue. (Ouch) Personally, I don’t want to fit anyone’s mold. I am me. My wife and I are total opposites and yet she is most often in control with the intelligence to get me to do what she wants me to do. Every person has strengths and weaknesses and that is not just a physical thing. Trying to be something you are not is repulsive. Men are men and women are women. Wanting to be someone else doesn’t change who you are.
alj Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:50 am
The OP was written to promote the He for She movement which was launched through the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women.
See #HeforShe on Twitter for more information beyond the link in the OP.
The term, "real men" was used in a tongue-in-cheek way, to lighten the discussion. Looks like Shelagh and I had the same problem with a couple of members not noticing where we are "hold[ing][our] tongues."
The expression has been around for some time, at least as far back as the early 80's, when it was used in the title of a tongue-in-cheek little book called, Real Men Don't Eat Quiche. There is a post on here somewhere from maybe a year ago where I related a funny story about an exchange between me and the man I was involved with at that time. He and I had a good laugh about it, and used the expression fairly often afterwards.
The expression at that time referred to "manly men," who would never consider doing anything that smacked of "womanliness," much like the male in Abe's post.
It's a term with as many definitions as individuals using it, as you can see by clicking on Abe's link in his earlier post on this thread.
The point being made in the OP is that men who are genuinely "manly" will want women to have their human rights, such as equal pay for equal work, respected.
As Victor said, it's abount "men standing up for women's rights to be treated equally, to receive the same privileges as men, the same salary for the same work with the same credentials, the same respect for the validity of their ideas and ideals, the freedom to pursue any and all avenues for which they are equipped by their skill, training and ability, and to stop reactionary forces around the world led by male troglodytes that treat women as second class citizens at best and chattel at worst"
"Feminism" is a loose term with as many meanings as the term, "real men." It has changed over time and from group to group.
One of the more respected and accepted versions is that of Dr. Carol Gilligan, a psychologist who wrote the best-selling book, In a Different Voice. She points out that men and women are different. They not only have physical differences, they think and make decisions differently. She referred to several studies, including Kolberg's well-known one on morality, which had concluded that women were less moral than men because they did not think logically. She refuted that fallacy by showing that women's insistence on considering circumstances and relationships when making such choices generally resulted in decisions that were fair and practical.
"Different" is not a value. There is no "better" or "lesser" involved in it's meaning.
I recently posted a link to an Amazon site for Mary Belenky, et al's book, Women's Ways of Knowing, which finds similar conclusions.
The currently growing perspective is that women's particular skills in decision-making and leading are as necessary to businesses and politics as men's are, and that the whole is more complete and better off when they are equally involved.
The struggle for human rights for women everywhere ought to be a struggle supported by both genders, and men who are secure in themselves will want to be supportive and be a part of it.
That is the point of the OP.
dkchristi Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:36 am
Google was recently in the news for "discovering" their white male predominance in their workplace that they now consider a detriment to creativity and innovation. They have started training sessions to help their atmosphere be more conducive to diversity by training not to eliminate bias and bigotry or force acceptance but rather training to recognize one's inner bias and bigotry that comes out in subtle ways even though behavior on the surface may intellectually support equality and diversity.
It is a complex undertaking but Google is large enough to be up to the task. Their trainers hope that by each person recognizing their own inner bias context, they can improve their "inclusion" behaviors and contribute to an environment favorable to employees other than white males, welcoming females and other diverse ethnic and belief system people into their work pool.
Thus, they are not doing the morally or socially or politically "correct" thing and own up to that. They are doing what will benefit them as a competitor in a global economy and that is to have a diverse work environment where all people feel valued so their contributions to innovation, creativity and product diversity are greater than with a one size fits all mentality the white male workforce creates. To continue in the modern world with an environment that subtly devalues anyone other than a white male is a sure path to mediocrity, stagnation and loss of competitive edge.
Google said it, not me. I did tell many people at national conferences twenty years ago, but they were not ready to own it then. I should start again...
alj Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:44 am
DK wrote:
...they are not doing the morally or socially or politically "correct" thing and own up to that. They are doing what will benefit them as a competitor in a global economy and that is to have a diverse work environment where all people feel valued so their contributions to innovation, creativity and product diversity are greater than with a one size fits all mentality the white male workforce creates. To continue in the modern world with an environment that subtly devalues anyone other than a white male is a sure path to mediocrity, stagnation and loss of competitive edge.
That's it.
alj Five Star Member
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Subject: Re: Real Men support #he for she Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:46 am
DK wrote:
Google said it, not me. I did tell many people at national conferences twenty years ago, but they were not ready to own it then. I should start again...
Yes, you should. Let me know if there is a way that I can help.