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PostSubject: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:21 pm

Got this from a post of son Dave's FB page.  That's my boy!


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/minnesota-gop-congressional-candidate-jim-hagedorn-mr-conservative-blog-tim-walz

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House Candidate Called Female Senators "Undeserving Bimbos in Tennis Shoes
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Jim Hagedorn's old blog, "Mr. Conservative," is a ticking time bomb.
—By Tim Murphy | Fri Aug. 22, 2014 6:00 AM EDT


Republican congressional candidate Jim Hagedorn could face a major obstacle in his race to unseat Minnesota Democrat Tim Walz: conservative blogger Jim Hagedorn.

Hagedorn, the son of retired congressman Tom Hagedorn... made light of American Indians, President Obama's Kenyan ancestry, and female Supreme Court justices, among others, in ways many voters won't appreciate.  [He]  deleted many of his old posts prior to his 2010 run for Walz's seat—he lost in the GOP primary. But some of his writings can still be found via the Internet Archive or in screenshots taken by the Minnesota Independent. These were not mere juvenile ramblings, either: Hagedorn was a Treasury Department official at the time.

"Turns out half-aunt Zeituni is an illegal alien from Kenya who has illegally contributed money to her half-nephew's campaign, which should make Americans half-pi$$ed," he wrote in a typical missive during the 2008 election cycle. "The migration from Barack Obama's second country to the United States during the next four years is going to look like a low-budget remake of Eddie Murphy's hit comedy 'Coming to America.'"

"Senator McCain's campaign was all but flat lined before he brought the feisty Caribou Barbie into our living rooms."



Hagedorn also reveled in the type of gay innuendo you may have heard in high school courtyards in decades past. (Kids these days know better.) He referred to former Wisconsin Sen. Herb Kohl as an "alleged switch-hitter" and a "packer." Former GOP candidate Mike Taylor, the target of a homophobic attack ad during his campaign against then-Sen. Max Baucus, came out even worse: "[T]he ad really bent Taylor over with rage and caused him to go straight to the bar and get lubricated," Hagedorn wrote. "It must have taken all Taylor's power to refrain from fisting…err…using his fists on Max Baucus, or at the very least ream him inside and out."

In an entry on the Supreme Court's 2003 Lawrence v. Texas decision, which ruled that state bans on sodomy were unconstitutional, he wrote: "Butt (sic) never have winners lost so dearly. The Court's voyage into uncharted, untreated cultural bathhouse waters was designed to offer a gentle push from behind…to generate a small skip forward for the pink triangle class…to throw them a bone, so to speak."

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In a 2002 post, Hagedorn referred to Washington Democratic Sens. Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray as "undeserving bimbos in tennis shoes." Former Bush White House counsel Harriet Miers, he wrote in 2005, had been nominated "to fill the bra of Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor."

Writing about now-Sen. John Thune's race against Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson, Hagedorn turned his razor-sharp wit on America's most coddled demographic—Native Americans. .... Alleging that fake votes from Indians would provide the margin of victory, he echoed "John Wayne's wisdom of the only good Indian being a dead Indian."

Hagedorn may have been joking. (The quip's real author, General Philip Sheridan, wasn't.) But American Indians were a favorite punching bag over at Mr. Conservative. In that same post, he referred to Nevada as a land of "nuclear waste and thankless Indians." What made the state's Native American population thankless? Hagedorn didn't say.

"I understand that some of the folks on the left aren't going to like what I write."
Democrats seized on some of the Mr. Conservative postings during Hagedorn's brief 2009 foray, prompting him to slip into damage control mode. "I understand that some of the folks on the left aren't going to like what I write," he told the Rochester Post-Bulletin. "I poke fun at everybody, including Republicans."

Although Walz's district went to Barack Obama by less than 2 points in 2012, the incumbent has faced a string of less-than-stellar opponents. Allen Quist, the GOP's 2012 nominee, crafted a school science curriculum contending that humans coexisted with dinosaurs. Aaron Miller, the Iraq War vet who was picked to run against Walz at the district nominating convention but lost in the primary, stated that he was motivated to run for office because his daughter had been forced to learn evolution in public schools. And now Hagedorn.

It looks like Tim Walz might be staying in Washington a little bit longer.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:42 am

This entire "conservative war on women" that the liberals keep proclaiming is ridiculous.  Yes, you might have a few idiots out there that spout off mindless babble targeted at women, but these morons don't represent the majority of the conservatives.

Liberals think that it is okay when a President allows a much-younger intern to play his meat flute in the oval office, because something like that is okay and not any type of predatory action.  But when an idiotic conservative says anything negative about women, they insist on attributing these statements to the entire conservative group.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:08 am

8/25/2014

                                  Jenny..

                                          Are you  a Republican ? 

                                            Cheers..Joe.....................Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:13 pm

Joe,

No.  I do not call myself nor do I consider myself to be a Republican.  However, I never mentioned the word Republican in my response.  I used the word "conservative" as it was mentioned in the title of the post.  Also, there are moderate and liberal Republicans.

I am, however, a woman.  I am simply tired of this "war on women" rhetoric, which I find to be childish.

- Republicans don't want us to have free birth control = war on women
- Republicans are against abortion = war on women
- Republicans think that stay-at-home mothers are good = war on women
- Women don't make as much as men in the workplace (both parties are culpable) = war on women
- Any time that any subject has to do with a woman, and the Republicans voice an opinion that the liberals don't like = war on women

Do the people that spout this crap even know what a real frickin' war is?  Take a look at World War I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam war - those are wars.  I think that the term "war" when used for "war on women" makes the liberals look foolish.

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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:23 pm

In the original article, the word "Republican" is used once - to identify the congressional candidate.  This individual apparently wrote a blog called, "Mr. Conservative," which was the only use of that term in the article.

The expression "war on women" was not used at all.  Neither was the word "liberal."  Who coined the phrase, "war on terror"?

Practically the only reference to women was the same congressional candidate's phrase "Undeserving bimbos," quoted in the title (The reference to Justice O'Conner's bra being the other). Most of the remarks were addressed to the president's alleged birth place, to several "homophobic" remarks, and to what constituted a "good Indian."

This "conservative blogger" who is apparently running for congress doesn't seem to have left anyone out.  



BTW - welcome to the forum.


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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:52 pm

Ann,

You are correct, the words "war on women" weren't used.  But the title of the post is relative to the left's use of the phrase.  And I was making a reference to the word "conservative" as it appeared in the title of the post:  "Another conservative attack on women in politics"

And Jim Hagerdorn is an idiot.  His "only poking fun" at anyone is childish and immature.

Both political parties stink.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:58 pm

Thanks for the response.  Hopefully, after you have been here a while, you will loosen up enough to tell us what you really think. 
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:07 pm

Ann,

I joined to get advice on publishing, and saw the political forum section.  I just happened to click on the first post, which is this one.

What is sad about our state of politics, is that if the government is no longer serving the people, but themselves.

And I should learn to stay out of political forums when it is that special week of the month.  Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:24 pm

I'm not going to get in the middle of this, though as a woman I am in the middle.  Women fought for the right to vote.  They continue to fight for their rightful place and pay in the workplace.  They fight for the right to have careers and homes since they often end up the single pay head of a household with children.  They fight for the right to make decisions about their own health and their own bodies. They fight for the right to make choices for their lives without the approval of spouses or fathers or religious dogmas. They fight for the right to love whom they wish.  They fought for the right to credit - I was in the new wave of women seeking their very own credit cards in the early 1980's when divorce ended in poverty for a woman without access to credit, jobs, or support systems.  They even labeled them, "displaced homemakers." Many of the elderly without driver's licenses but with their full faculties are those in the classes for whom republican legislators are making it difficult to vote by shortening early voting and Sunday voting and making driver's licenses mandatory.

No, it's not a war.  The war on poverty was not a war.  And often the importance of an issue is diminished by the labels given it.  Let's say instead that the legislation proposed over the last few years by the republican party impoverishes women, children, veterans and more.  It denies women the right to control their own health care.  It denies elderly and disabled women the right to vote.  It denies women the right to have legal rights to care for each other instead of dying alone.  It denies women who fill most of the minimum wage and service jobs the ability to earn a living wage and forces them onto welfare while they are putting in two to three jobs.

The republican party is a party for the elite.  And the elite will defend the republican party to their death and impoverishment just to be a member of that gated community that lives in a bubble away from real people who struggle and work hard and see their children with poor educations, poor health care and little opportunity to afford higher education.  And then there are the elderly - mostly women who are alone and frail - for whom the republicans want to change social security and medicare.

The democratic party is for the elite and the lower classes.  At least they support both.  They have their share of idiot men.  At least they arent' hypocrits like my republican congressman who ran around holier than thou wanting drug testing for every welfare recipient mother while he bought coke in downtown Washington, D.C. for his habit.

When the republican party talks religion I want to throw up.  Their treatment of the "least of us" is so anti-Christ that they ought not to sleep at night.  Then there's FOX and Rush and the ratings whores who admit they are entertainers and do not live the lives of people they project themselves to be on television or on the radio - that emotion arousing display is for ratings.

Welcome to the forum.  I'll wait until you are well acquainted with the whole lot of us before I share too many of my political rants, right Ann?  Oops.

We had a rousing thread somewhere that concluded the best that could happen is for the old, white men in Congress of all parties to be voted out and a whole new job description written that requires the Congress to work for the benefit of the people, not themselves.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:37 pm

Glad you didn't get in the middle of this...

I would love to see links on all of this proposed legislation you are talking about.

Both parties are the party of the elite, but the Democrats and their concern for the lower classes sickens me.  The Dems only want to take money from the rich to give to the poor so they will have more voters. If they really cared about the lower classes, instead of welfare, they would give them job training or help them get an education, so they could take care of themselves.

And I don't know about you, but I have been in control of my healthcare since college.  I pay for my own birth control pills and see whatever doctor I want to.  I don't need and don't want the government interfering in my life.  

Finally, I think our cycles have synchronized already...
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:16 pm

Regardless of the motivation of democrats (and I am not in love with their motivation) they do have jobs proposals and ideas to improve the lives of the less advantaged economically.  And, yes, the corporations really need to bring their $trillions back to the states that gave them their opportunity to succeed and pay taxes.  Yes, the government needs to stop paying the excessively profit-making oil companies subsidies, along with many other mega-profitable companies.  Also, those who benefit from this country need to pay back according to their ability.  That's what society is about.  This is not a feudal society where the wealthy gauge the poor and the poor get poorer while the wealthy get wealthier - oops, I guess today it is that way.  I was taught in my spiritual life that I am my brother's keeper and that those to whom much is given much is expected.  That's the way that resources reach those without the means to grab them as are provided to the wealthy few.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:59 pm

I agree - companies should move back to the US, but why would they?  What incentive do they have?  Look at Canada - with a corporate tax rate of 15% - while the US is 35%.

And "greedy" oil companies aren't that profitable - averaging 8% profit margin while companies like Apple computer post over 20% quarterly profit margin*.   I don't believe that Apple receives any subsidies from the US government.  But these evil companies are in business to make a profit, mega or otherwise.  Companies that don't make a profit don't last very long.  The government is the only entity that doesn't have to make a profit - and spends whatever it wants.

As for "pay back according to their ability" - well, you just dropped the communist flag there.  "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".   So, that isn't what a society is all about - that is what Socialism is all about.  

In the society that we should have - it should be people taking care of other people, and not the government taking money from one side to buy votes with the other.  A couple hundred years ago, people took care of each other - not the government.

And I don't understand why you are bashing the wealthy.  Have you ever seen a poor person hire someone?  Did you get a poor person to publish your books?  I can see that you chose the ultra-huge company amazon.com to publish a few of your books.  They have a market cap of $153.21 billion (that means that is how much their stock is worth).  Why didn't you get a smaller company to publish?  My guess is that you wanted more money for your work, you greedy capitalist.

People have the opportunity to make their own success, and they should do so without the government taking from another to ensure their success.

*Source:  ycharts web site
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:43 pm

People's perspectives are usually based on their experiences. Yours seem pretty emphatic. It might be easier to understand where you are coming from in we knew more about you. For instance, what it the title/genre of your novel? Are you looking to self-publish or for advice about agents and publishers? Do you write for a living or have a "day" job? I'm guessing you are a bit younger that most of the women who post here regularly. Most of us are beyond the age of "cyclical" concerns.

Tell us more about yourself. It will help us to get to know the person behind those perceptions.

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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:55 pm

We try not to attack the person here, just what they have to say. Disagreements are welcome and stimulating.  Each of us has a different experience from which we gather information.  Specifically, I spent a long career in public/private partnerships that provided private and government assistance to people without the advantages of most.  Therefore, I am very familiar with those statistics, their behaviors and backgrounds and incentives and the minimal costs to provide people with support systems compared to letting them be sick, unemployed, unhealthy, hungry and homeless.  The costs for the latter are extreme compared to the costs of compassionate care, support and boost into employment and self-sufficiency.

The tax system in the U.S. has so many loopholes that a tax rate is a misnomer.  Believe me, I have always paid more than my fair share because I did not have enough income to take advantage of loopholes.  That system is wrong, unfair, and taxes the middle and lower classes at a much higher percent of their "wealth" than the "wealthy" that people are afraid will be denied their lifestyle by actually getting some taxes from them comparable to the benefits they have derived from this country.

Of course, defining the "wealthy" is a misnomer also.  Considering that most jobs do not come from corporate giants but rather from start up businesses that become successful, expand, and hire more people.  Corporate giants do no employ U. S. citizens anymore.  They merely make their start here, sell their wares here, and build their portfolios here, and live their lavish lifestyles here.  They employ people in China.  These super wealthy, global executives only need to return to the U.S. comparable funds to what the U.S. has benefited them.  However, they own the Congressional representatives and "it ain't gonna happen."  The IRS is going after individuals instead with overseas hidden wealth.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:01 pm

D.K.  - I certainly apologize if you thought I was attacking you.  That was certainly not my intent.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:36 pm

My personal financial behavior is governed by my income which is sufficient but not for luxuries.  I publish according to the nature of the work and the demand to read it.  My most recent novel, Ghost Orchid, was published by a small press that paid advances and had many award-winning and best selling authors.  However, their managing partner died and the publisher was not sufficiently prepared to continue - they had been business partners from the beginning and the emotional toll was significant.  I now have a contract with another small press that is growing and in the meantime, I have an ebook with Kindle to keep Ghost Orchid available to readers. 

I have friends who have considerable wealth and also attempt to live their politics.  They do not shop at Wall Mart or the Dollar stores.  They buy their food at Whole Foods.  They buy their clothes where they are assured they are manufactured in the U.S. (however, my friend is constantly surprised by her Italian shoes that are now manufactured in China, etc.).  She believes in the quality of U.S. and European products and prefers them over lesser-priced third world manufacturing to the same specs.  As my friend says, "I knew the minute I tried on these shoes that something had changed."  She was right.  The specs were sent by the Italian shoe maker to China for manufacture and "made in China" was in very tiny letters inside the shoes.

Ordinary people working at minimum wage don't have the same options.  If they are going to clothe their family and feed them they need to clip coupons, find the least expensive stores at which to shop and do the best bargain shopping possible-regardless of world politics.  In fact, any single woman without an education working at minimum wage is still dependent on food stamps, food pantries, and thrift stores to survive.  A friend of mine is a social worker.  Her income was not sufficient to dress as classy as her job required.  She bought all her work clothes at consignment shops - and those brands were mostly made in the U.S. and Europe.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:01 pm

8/25/2014

                        Jenny..

                                 I am neither a democrat, a liberal, a leftist, a Republican, I am
                  an American who has been concerned about his country who has seen it
                  fall apart , slide into what is getting to look like a country that has no guts!
                  I blame all politicians on both sides who are destroying this country, I would
                  love to see some of these politicians who have been around so long they have
                  no idea what the hell century they live in and Oh yes isn't it interesting how the
                  democratic party can get so nasty when someone disagrees with them, I would 
                  love to see Pelosi, Reid gone , Hillary no way for President their all part of the 
                  same leftist liberal group who want to destroy this country..We have become a
                  country that is laughed at, from what I have heard through people the people in
                  the military in this country dispise the heads of our govt. because they know their
                  trying to destroy everything that is American.

                                                     Cheers...Joe
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:05 pm

Amen Joe!
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:24 pm

8/25/2014

                     Jenny..
                               Thank you ! First time I haven't been hit over the head
                     for my views....

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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:56 am

Careful, Joe, you'll scare Jenny.  It's good to have more perspectives on issues to challenge our thinking and ways of expressing those thoughts. 

You and I disagree often (not so much lately) but always work it out a agreeing to disagree.  That's the civilized way unlike Facebook where they continue to slug it out until they get ugly.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:05 am

8/26/2014

                    Yes dear.......Cheers..Joe...Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:44 am

Maybe you guys could help steer Jenny to some friendlier places than the political forum so we can get better acquainted.  There is a welcome forum where she could begin telling us a bit more about herself.  Several writing and publishing sections.  Most of the stuff here goes on in the Chatter box.  I would still like to know more abour her and her novel.  It's easier to disagree agreeably when we know where people are coming grom.

We're a bit of a motley crew, Jenny, but most of us are coming from good places.
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PostSubject: Re: Another conservative attack on women in politics   Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:29 am

8/26/2014

                         Jenny..

                                  All of us here go way back and even though we agree and
                     disagree we still love each other including our great leader Shelagh.
                     So fasten your seat belt, it maybe a bumpy ride.....Just joking...

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