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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 11:52 am

Well, there's no typical "American" answer.  In Tifton, Georgia, the vehicle of choice was trucks.  Probably related to an agrarian economy.  They use lots of gas.  I think they drive trucks even if they work at 7/11.  In my part of Florida, the vehicles of choice seem to be Escalades, SUV's, Rolls Royce, BMW, Lexus, but SUV's of any ilk the winner.  I know they guzzle.  I don't know about the rest.  Among my acquaintances gas price seems to be an issue though my close friend drives a Lexus SUV that drinks gasoline.

There's a retiree town of many developments called The Villages by Ocala, Florida that has everything needed - hospitals, arts, shopping malls, etc. and people drive electric golf carts.  That is the vehicle of choice.  Most everyone is retired and not in a hurry plus many past the "driving" age.  So people can change their driving "paradigm."

In my neighborhood there is a large Mexican population and bikes rule.  Also, many retirees ride bikes for pleasure on weekends in summer (dangerous in the winter season traffic).  In the colder climates the golf carts and bicycles would only be seasonal where here it's okay all year.

Actually, it's the industrial complex that is doing the most damage, not individuals though our automobiles and our waste products certainly contribute.  It is the rape of the earth, the pouring of vile chemicals into the air and into the ground, the fracking for oil, etc. that makes major differences in the air we breath.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 11:54 am

It is also the propaganda 24 hours a day encouraging the expenditure of money on waste such as processed foods, throw away consumables, electronics, etc. that keeps the profit motive destroying our earth.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 4:50 pm

USA consumes 40% of the World's motor gasoline daily:

http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/iedindex3.cfm?tid=5&pid=62&aid=2&cid=regions&syid=2008&eyid=2012&unit=TBPD

Consumption of Motor Gasoline (Thousand Barrels Per Day):

USA (2010) 8,996.5 

World (2010) 22,069

Road sector gasoline fuel consumption per capita (kg of oil equivalent)

United Kingdom (2010) 233
United States (2010) 1,146

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.ROD.SGAS.PC

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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 6:10 pm

That's one of those things where you have to look at the various factors that contribute to the statistics. One obvious difference is the size and population of the two countries as a whole.

I haven't had time to look into them (It's family dinner night; sorry; guests just left),but there are elements like population diversity, amount of land and population in cities vs rural areas, etc.

One thing that is unique, probably is that Texas, which was the only independent nation to become a state, was given several privileges by the US because the US was eager for the country to become a state. One of those had to do with the state's mineral rights, which it was allowed to keep for its own use and citizenry. In 1845, no one knew that oil would become so valuable. No one even knew that Texas lands had so much of it. So today, oil prices are considerably lower here. And population density, especially in rral areas, is much lower. That means it takes a lot more time and gas to get to where you need to go. That is related to the fact that farmers and ranchers need trucks and vans to move their stuff from one area to another. Those factors, just in one state, are going to have a large effect, I'm thinking. The large rural areas account for the "redness" of the state, politically. They tnd to be more conservative. The cities are pretty soundly purple, if not yet blue.

Things that work in one place don't necessarily work in another. The realities are different.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 6:21 pm

5/1/2014

                    We could all start walking ? I agree the cars in this country and
                    in my state, the same as the rest of the USA , " BIG CARS !, BIG
                    TRUCKS!"  I think it's a Male Hormone thing. I have a Ford Focus,
                    I only use it for errands, fill it up once , twice a month. Bikes I
                    don't ride not the way I see how drivers drive...


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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 6:34 pm

I have a focus, too, Joe. It's 12 yearss old and still hasn't hit 30,000 miles. Now that I'm not tutoring, I fill the tank maybe 4 times a year.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 8:25 pm

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                       Ann..

                   My Ford Focus is 10 Yrs old and it has 32,000- miles! I have
                   yet to drive it out of state...I Don't like taking long trips by
                   myself, I prefer company, xtra driver...
                   Are you sure you only put gas four times a year ? Don't you go
                   grocery shopping ?


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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Thu May 01, 2014 10:24 pm

The photo that Shelagh showed is a common sight where I live.  My son is recently employed with a company that is involved with solar energy.  Language with suppliers from multiple sources is important and that’s one of his primary functions.  Installing Solar Panels is not as simple as it may appear.  One cannot just slap a solar panel on the roof.  The solar energy industry is flourishing and that is a good thing.  It is creating jobs.  Qualified Installers are needed.  Ideally suited are heating and roofing contractors.  They have people that can be trained as installers.
My son will be in Turkey again this week negotiating contracts for the supply and installation of solar panels.  The demand is growing, however education is also required.  Example:  Before panels can be placed on a roof, a study must be made to insure that the structure is strong enough to support the extra weight.  In Western Europe, that is not a big problem.  Farther East where building codes are not as strict, it is a problem.  It is not simply a matter of negotiating price, but an evaluation of the structure.  Some structures required additional support before panels can be safely installed.  If they want a First Class job, they must pay a First Class price.  Cheap is what most in the East want.  If it is just a matter of selling panels, that is no concern to the seller.  If it is a total job (panels plus installation) then liability comes into play.  Finding suppliers for quality panels is an ongoing task.  They have even gone to China where cheap panels are available, however they regret having done so.  Problems are not just in quality, but also with delivery.  Then there are middlemen involved and that complicates matters.  Delivery is another problem – but that’s business.
I mention the above only to trigger ideas for people looking for employment and/or a new business.  Clean energy is sought.  Alternatives to fossil fuels is also sought.  Both are important considerations for the future.
Many home owners and businesses in Germany have their entire roofs with solar panels.  The energy they don’t need/use is sold to the power companies.  That means they enjoy either low cost energy or actually make money.  Another opportunity is for building contractors to build and promote a cost-free energy home.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 2:44 am

alj wrote:
That's one of those things where you have to look at the various factors that contribute to the statistics.  One obvious difference is the size and population of the two countries as a whole.

Similar size? Okay, let's compare USA with South America and China:

Consumption of Motor Gasoline (Thousand Barrels Per Day)

United States (2010) 8,992.7
Central & South America (2010) 1,249.5
China (2010) 1,615.9

Road sector gasoline fuel consumption per capita (kg of oil equivalent)

United States 1146
South America 191
China 50

Population and size:

Country
Population
Area (sq. mile)
Population density (sq. mile)
China
1,339,190,000
3,705,405.45
361.42
United States of America
309,975,000
3,717,811.29
83.38
Brazil
193,364,000
3,286,486.71
58.84
 
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/ctypopls.htm

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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 5:32 am

Lots of cultural differences between US and China. Makes comparisons difficult.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 7:00 am

5/2/2014

                 Talk about efficency, look at this apartment.

              
http://money.cnn.com/video/pf/2014/05/01/uh-collapsible-folding-nyc-apartment.cnnmoney
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 8:47 am

Climate Change, Global warming is believed to be the result of pollution.
Whether one denies this connection, one cannot deny that pollution exists.  No matter what a single country does to protect their environment, pollution does not stop at their borders.  When Mount St. Helens erupted in 1980, the pollution was carried to many parts of the globe.  Planes were forced to change their course to avoid the huge mass of particles.  It could be seen in Europe. 
When the nuclear disaster happened in Chernobyl in 1986, large radioactive particles were released into the atmosphere and spread over the USSR and Europe.  Food sources were affected from this fallout.  Whether the pollution comes from accidents, natural disasters (volcanic eruptions) or from industry, it affects everyone to some degree.  We have no back-up planet and must do everything we can to preserve the one we have. 
 
I think it is a good subject for discussion.  We are all involved to some degree with pollution.  Action to preserve our planet begins with each of us.  It may not seem that the little we do makes a difference, but it does.  In some ways it is similar to religion.  If one lives his/her religion, others may follow the example.   
 
At one time America was known as Number One in pollution.  That title is now believed to be China.  Bering number one is not always a positive thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 9:32 am

joefrank wrote:
5/1/2014     

                       Ann..

                   My Ford Focus is 10 Yrs old and it has 32,000- miles! I have
                   yet to drive it out of state...I Don't like taking long trips by
                   myself, I prefer company, xtra driver...
                   Are you sure you only put gas four times a year ? Don't you go
                   grocery shopping ?


                                                Cheers.. Joe

There is a very large supermarket 1/2 mile from my house, Joe.  My daughter and son-in-law live about a mile from me.  There is a Sam's Club 2 miles away (I go there about once a month), in the same center as the movie theater (I see around 2-3 films a year), post office and gas just across from the subdivision, church just down the road.  I live a pretty simple life these days.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 10:30 am

I write news stories and drive wherever they take me.  I bring my elderly (95) mom to Florida for the winter from Michigan and return her in the spring.  I put a lot of miles on my car and use a lot of gas.  To travel with mother (who will not fly or take a train) I need a mid-size car and have a Hyundai 4 cyl. 2009 that still gets 30 mpg which is quite good for 2009.

I do attempt to aggregate local trips when possible.

I loved that $1million apartment, Joe, reminded me of the sailboat on which I lived for three years.  Everything was stowed.  Very clean lines.  Simplifies life as no room for collected memento items.  Living on the sailboat was the ultimate in conservative living.  We filled our 200 gal. water tanks from squalls.  We ate the fish we caught.  Our refrigeration was an ice box.  We did have diesel for the generator and two engines plus a gas motor on the dingy though we usually paddled the dinghy or the boys used the windsurfers.  I even read on deck in a full moon.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 3:01 pm

Diane,
I think you could rival Hemingway if your wrote stories from you boat.  You must drink some gin, though. It is one of the perks.  Love, Betty
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 3:14 pm

Or rum. Bill and I crewed on an MORC race while we were dating. I was just learning to sail. Our captain sent me to get the bottle of rum from the rack on the starboard side of the forward cabin. I said "Aye, aye, Sir," and headed down. I found the rum on the right side of the cabin. I not only completed my task, I learned that starboard meant right and forward meant front.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Fri May 02, 2014 5:48 pm

See, Ann, you never know where your next revelation will come from.  I am a believer in spirits. Take what form they wish, the spirits have always enhanced and eased my mind. 
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 4:13 am

alj wrote:
Lots of cultural differences between US and China.  Makes comparisons difficult.

The stats don't lie, it's just the interpretations that are biased. If DK can look at all the present data on climate change and arrive at the conclusion that global warming is real and, unless we make radical changes, permanent, she obviously knows a great deal more about interpreting scientific data than I do.

Even the methods of collecting weather data differ around the world:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/monitoring/climate/surface-temperature

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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 4:24 am

N.B. We are a small group of islands that borders an enormous ocean. We are dependent on the environment and have been managing our lands, shorelines and oceans for thousands of years. We know the importance of monitoring and protecting the environment, and we're prepared to pay to fund research into understanding even minute changes in our shifting landscape and surrounding oceans:

http://www.nerc.ac.uk/about/whatwedo/

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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 5:39 am

The differing data still concludes that human causes and nature impact climate change and temperature of air and oceans in particular..
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 7:14 am

You nailed it, DK.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 7:18 am

dkchristi wrote:
The differing data still concludes that human causes and nature impact climate change and temperature of air and oceans in particular..

Show me the data.

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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 7:46 am

The data you provided.
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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 8:42 am

You are joking? Okay, you obviously know as little as I do about climate change. I'll take consolation in the fact that most Americans are not convinced that humans caused global warming:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/22/Tragic-Earth-Day-news-for-green-propagandists-more-Americans-believe-in-God-than-man-made-global-warming

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PostSubject: Re: Climate Change   Sat May 03, 2014 9:49 am

Are we now to believe that an American survey will determine right from wrong, fact from fiction?
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