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PostSubject: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:50 pm

9/29/2013

                       I just heard Obama Care may be dead in the water by tomorrow,
                       their voting to block provisions and put Obama Care on the back
                       burner for another year, I think it looks like they will succeed ?

                                                          Cheers.Joe....Sad
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:09 pm

The GOP leaders have become America's Public Enemy Number One.
They do not represent the best interests of the American people or even the government that they are supposed to serve.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:11 pm

Obamacare is not going to dead in the water even if the government shuts down because it's already funded.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:14 pm

It's also the law of the land.  It would take both houses of Congress to vote it out and even then President Obama must veto that vote - no choice.

That's why the desperate fanatics in the republican party used shutting down the government as blackmail to get agreement by the President to dump his primary piece of legislation for which he will be held accountable by those that elected him - he is accountable to the electorate to provide universal health care - on which he was elected twice, that had eight years for vetting by everyone, that was tested in the Supreme Court and had been tested already in more than one state but particularly in Massachusetts.  He will veto any bill that kills a program already in place that will benefit so many people.  But the fanatics want to see it die so they can say, "see, your President failed you."

That's why they made "delaying" the Affordable Care Act a condition of not shutting down the government.  They put President Obama in a no win by their measure.  He cannot allow the delay of the Affordable Care Act.  If the government shuts down, the fanatics want him to take the blame. He is blameless.

But any educated person knows that the President cannot "delay" a bill so thoroughly vetted and demanded by the the U.S. citizens.  The recent hoopla against the bill was created by the republican party and the lobbyists who will be losers under this bill.  It is complicated.  It's not fully implemented until January.  Bits have been implemented in phases, including the next phase October 1. How can they yell, "failure!" for a bill not implemented?  Because they count on the mantra dulling the senses of their constituents.

The republican governors who did not establish insurance exchanges and the stupid Governor Scott in Florida who did not accept the Medicaid money that Florida pays nothing toward for two years have denied needed medical care to the citizens of their states and should be ridden out on a rail for the harm they are doing.

I think LC is right.  Television has destroyed the IQ of U.S. citizens and they don't know how to think for themselves.  So they listen to the propaganda by the commentators paid by the lobbyists and believe the hate and fear mongering created.  People legitimately fear they are losing insurance, losing medical care, losing jobs, killing babies, being ruled by death panels - and all sorts of garbage that is pure lying filth to help the republicans rob President Obama of his promise kept.  Nothing matters, not one person in need matters.  All that matters is that President Obama's signature legislation is destroyed, the people may suffer for that goal because the people don't have lobbyists and some believe the garbage.

And if they can't delay it, they are telling lies to make it difficult for people to understand, encouraging young people not to sign up.  Lying about the cost of the insurance and the benefits, lying about businesses that are saying they are making decisions based on the affordable care act when, in truth, they were going to make and have been making those decisions since President Bush's gift of economic disaster for the common person.  Business used that economic downfall as an excuse to drop pensions, drop benefits, lay off employees, cut hours and more and increased their profits major - major! The largest increase in profits in years.

Fortunately, I don't watch much television.  I think my IQ may still be intact.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:11 pm

9/29/2013

                       Seniors are  exempt because we get Medicare. New Mexico's Gov. Martinez
                       accepted the Medicaid extension..

                                                            Cheers...Joe..Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:44 pm

Martinez did the right thing for his citizens.   Florida's Governor Scott was more concerned about his status in the Republican Party than the uninsured and hurting in the State of Florida, so he declined the Medicaid extension.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:31 pm

On my FB feed, few people talk about Obamacare or anything political, really. I'm sure there are practical reasons for that, but probably the most common reason is they don't know or care about it. My FB feed is filled with TV show discussion. Right now everyone is discussing Breaking Bad. They talk about the characters like they're real people. Before it was Walking Dead.

I truly believe we've reached the point where if people didn't have their precious TV shows to sedate themselves with 6 hrs/day -and that's what they're doing, sedating themselves- they'd be rioting and burning cars.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:46 pm

9/29/2013

                             DK..

                                  Gov. Maartinez is a lady Christina Martinez and she's a Republican,
                                  see people can get along..

                                                           Cheers...Joe..Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:45 pm

Good posts.  Good analysis DK.  We can only hope that Obama sticks to his guns.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:54 pm

9/30/2013

                   I think it's disgusting when I found out they cut 40 Million dollars from Food
                   Stamp program , now this hostage taking , I'm sorry if they disagree with
                   the health program then let it go through then if you want to fight it in the
                   future, if the Govt. closes down all politicians should loose their salaries !
                   Then again who's going to take it away from them ???????

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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:10 pm

9/29/2013

                     In 2.5 hours Govt. will shut down , Oh My God !!!

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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:28 am

USA cannot afford free healthcare.

The NHS is wonderful, but it doesn't fulfil the original objectives. The Beveridge report (1942) recommended the Welfare State (money from taxes and National Insurance) should fund a comprehensive health and rehabilitation services for prevention and cure of disease. Lord Beveridge thought that the working days lost through illness would be reduced and, eventually, the NHS would fund itself because of the increase in productivity throughout the country.

As it turned out, once people knew that they would be put right if they fell ill, they took less care of themselves than they did before the introduction of the NHS. Campaigns for people to adopt healthier lifestyles fall on deaf ears. The NHS is creaking at the seams with long waiting lists, and doctors and nurses from overseas propping up the medical staff, all of whom are overstretched and work long hours, sometimes double shifts.

This is what the USA has to look forward to.

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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:45 am

Healthcare is not free.  That is the misconception being fostered by the opposition. 

Having affordable health care available is the important thing.  Being denied coverage because you are already sick or had a history of illness is forbidden with the ACA.
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PostSubject: Re: OBAMA CARE DEAD IN THE WATER ? WHAT WILL PEOPLE DO ?   Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:15 pm

The ACA is not free.  The ACA consists of consortia of insurance companies that with a group of insured, they can offer lower rates.  There are other parts of the bill that are tied to Medicaid (which is taxpayer supported ) that will cost taxpayers, but the biggest parts of the bill are self-sustaining except that the opposition wants to cut off the pieces that contribute to the cost!

In fact, the complaint now is that insurance rates are going up instead of down.  Of course, they were going up anyway, but now the insurance companies can blame the ACA.  It's ludicrous.  It's the Insurance companies that keep medical costs so high now - especially the medical malpractice insurance that doctors must buy to be in business.  

It is distressing to hear the result in England of good intentions.  The hope here is that preventive care will be less expensive than emergency care which is what the uninsured do now.  Their emergency care costs are absorbed by the rest of us in our hospital bills, and hospital bills are exorbitant.  Thus the hope is that preventive care with a primary physician will keep people well and lower hospital costs for the rest of us.

However the hate Obama crowd is putting $500 million into ads discouraging people without insurance from applying.  If people don't apply in large numbers, the groups won't be sufficient for the ACA to work properly. 

The pitiful thing is that the ACA was the oppositions bill and copies the republican health care as administered in the State of Massachusettes.  It has little in it that a self-respecting republican would complain about except that it was passed during the Obama administration.

The hate Obama campaign makes it difficult to sift through the hate rhetoric to find the truth.  So, people leaning toward disliking him grab onto the hate speak and it makes their lives less complicated by thinking.
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